Hi!

A recent stool test showed up a complete lack of bifidobacteria and necessary e-coli. The intestinal dysfunction is almost certainly only a small part of the overall severe problems but it seems likely that it must be dealt with before other treatments will work. I am currently following an anti-candida regime (on the advice of a doctor) but the probiotics I am taking only have lactobaccillus and bifidobacteria. Can anyone suggest a good probiotic that contains one or more of the beneficial strains of e-coli?

Thanks

BIOCARE do a good probiotic.

They are available in GNC or Holland and Barrett.

Beneficial bacteria are also in RAW goats milk, RAW goats cheese and RAW goats yoghurt.

Raw goats cheese is available in some supermarkets but the milk and yoghurt will probably have to be sourced from a farm.

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Robin Allan
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Thanks for the quick response!

I had a look at the Biocare range and none of their probiotics contain e-coli. 

Should have mentioned, I'm vegan (and dairy intolerant in any case - all dairy, not just cows) so goats milk is not an option. 

Any other ideas? 

Organic farmers often have to find ways of introducing beneficial bacteria to their animals.

 

]Probiotics (Beneficial Bacteria)

Because antibiotic resistance arises in bacteria at an alarming rate, much research has focused on finding alternative treatments that do not involve the use of antibiotics. For example, the promotion of beneficial gut bacteria can increase resistance of animals to possible Salmonella infections. Sources of beneficial gut bacteria may vary. Free-range chicks usually acquire such bacteria normally. Feed of pen-raised chicks may be supplemented with various commercial probiotic formulations. Probiotic or "competitive exclusion" bacterial mixes in the form of spray for eggs were also shown to be moderately effective in inoculating hatchlings with beneficial gut organisms (Nisbet, et al. 1998; Nisbet 2002; Hume, et al. 1998). Alternatively, used poultry litter from healthy flocks could be used. Several studies demonstrated that raising newly hatched leghorn chicks on Salmonella-free littered bedding, or supplementation of their feed with litter, actually makes chicks more resistant to Salmonella infection. Supplementation of animal rations with corn or sorghum silage also increases animal resistance to infection, perhaps in part due to the beneficial lactic bacteria found in silage. This protective effect of beneficial bacteria in used litter and silage is probably similar to the commercial probiotics: beneficial bacteria colonizing animal guts outcompete and prevent Salmonella colonization and infection. 

 

This maybe helpful to you. 

 

 

Your Veganism may be part of your problem.

Why do you avoid animal products?

Is it on compassionate grounds or religious?

Go to www.ppssuccess.com and read the article "Vegetarianism from the inside out".

Did you know that plants are carnivores?!!

Worms,insects and any animal that dies,lays on the ground are decomposed by micro organisms in the soil and fed to the plants!!!

That means you are eating lots of little animals when you eat plants!!!

Go to www.ppnf.org and read about Weston A.Price who found NO healthy vegetarian peoples on his travels.

If you are worried about how animals are treated,and you have every reason to,then just find a local Organic,free range farmer who allows his cattle to have a life before they give theirs to further ours.

Are you also wheat intolerant?

Dairy and wheat intolerance usually go together and dairy intolerance can indeed be caused by the inflammation caused by wheat intolerance.

Interestingly many dairy intolerant people can handle RAW milk.

Hope this helps.

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Robin Allan
Chek Practitioner
Chek Holistic Lifestyle Coach
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Hmm, that's an interesting idea to find out what farmers add to the animal feed, I shall look into it!

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Thanks but veganism is definitely not the problem - I was very ill for ten years before going vegan and actually my health improved after I made the change.

I am vegan on moral grounds because I believe that torture is the worst crime there is, and whilst organic standards are considerably better than intensive farming, the animals involved still suffer terribly. And die (in exactly the same way as intensively farmed animals) at just a few months old. Or around two years in the case of dairy cows, during which time they will have have been almost constantly both pregnant and lactating, with their babies forcefully taken away soon after each birth. However, I suspect this is not the place for a discussion of the appalling treatment of sentient beings inherent in ALL commercial production of animal products. I am simply trying to find a dairy free e-coli supplement.

As to Weston A.Price, he must be either blind or incredibly stupid. No healthy vegetarians? Only half a billion in India alone, and many, many more billions around the world! As for vegans, Carl Lewis (one of the greatest Olympians ever) won many of his medals on a strict vegan diet. Or just ask the quarter of a million vegans in the UK, most of whom are far healthier than the average meat-eater or lacto-vegetarian. There is now a vast quantity of good quality scientific research showing that a balanced vegan diet is one of the healthiest there is. The studies that claim to show the opposite never actually look at a balanced diet but rather a diet of, say, just corn compared to corn + milk or corn + meat, like the shockingly poor 'science' inflicted on malnourished African children a couple of years ago then touted as evidence that veganism was unhealthy.

Yes, I am also extremely wheat intolerant, and both dairy and wheat intolerance seem to run in the family. Given the relatively severe consequences of dairy consumption (serious breathing difficulties, even if avoiding wheat) I would not be willing to try raw milk even if I believed it was morally acceptable. I just need to try and find another source of e-coli.

I respect your decision to be a vegan and if it helped you get well then even better.

As you may know,Gerson Therapy is largely a vegetarian therapy that has cured many people of their cancers.

From my research vegetarianism is good for cleaning out the body,but I question its long term use as a lifestyle.

The only people who can get by with no animal flesh are carbohydrate types as determined by metabolic typing and these are typically people who live at or near the Equator.

The further one moves away from the equator,towards the poles,the more meat is eaten.

This is due to the AVAILABILITY of both meat and veg.

Veggies grow year round at the equator but are non existent at the north pole!!

The peoples at both locations would,over millions of years,adapt to function on yhe available foods.

Weston Price was far from blind or stupid.Read his book "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration" or visit www.ppnf.org for more info.

He simply found tribes who ate relatively little meat, because they couldn't get it,were always weaker and less robust than tribes who ate the most meat.

He wasn't anti vegetarian,he simply reported what he saw.

Read "The Secret Life of Plants" by Tompkins and Bird and you will see proof that plants are just as sentient and conscious and respond to human emotion just like animals!!!...this book will change your life.

I am sure plants are treated just as inhumanely as animals but because they are not seen as sentient beings and don't have cute furry faces it doesn't seem to matter.

The best way is to grow your own animals and plants but it is impracticable for most of us.

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Robin Allan
Chek Practitioner
Chek Holistic Lifestyle Coach
Chek Golf Biomechanic
Sports Masseur

robin_allan@hotmail.com

07973-808211

Escherichia coli which possesses enzymatic activity (so called 'beneficial E.coli') resides within the lower part of intestine and contributes to cellulose enzymatic degradation only; it's deficiency is unlikely to cause the IBS symptoms (I presume this was the reason for your stool test?). Except for true Coeliac disease and true intestinal dysbiosis cases, the most common reason for IBS lies within the type of autonomic nervous system (whether of parasympathetic or sympathetic dominance) and associated condition called Neurovascular Dystonia. It takes about two years to restore intestinal flora balance, and even after such period of time you may find that you still suffer from the same symptoms of IBS.

If you have any further questions about that please email me to: info@in-vivo-health.co.uk

With best wishes,

 

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