Health Conditions

Re: Support for Type 1 Diabetes

ibglass — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:32:57 GMT

Hi all,

Couple of quick comments :

(i) check out Insulin Dependent Diabetes Trust - a UK truly independent organisation of diabetics for diabetics, set up originally to support Type 1 diabetics who'd had major problems with so-called 'human' insulin (actually most of what's on the 'market' is genetically modified from a virus - lovely!), but now also a campaigning, educational & support body, with non-mainstream views;

(ii) whilst I agree with a lot of what Robin says, and don't particularly wish (or have time) to comment on it, I think it is highly dangerous to recommend eating fruit for a Type 1 hypo. Sugar is a 'poison', yes, but very quickly absorbed simple carbo's are the only thing to eat/drink to avoid passing into a coma when experiencing a hypo. Fruit juice or honey, perhaps grapes at a push..just about maybe ok..but fruit is generally bound up with fibre and the absorption of the fruit sugars is simply not fast enough, as well as taking longer to actually eat in the first place, where time is in the element. I speak from personal experience, and would love not to have to force down those disgusting glucose tablets/Lucozade when hypo, but if it's that or going into a coma/fitting, being resuscitated in hospital, and the huge (in a number of cases brain damage & fatalities) toll that the whole episode takes on the body, I know what I choose each time. It's not a healthy ideal solution to hypos, there isn't one. It's crisis management.

Re: Support for Type 1 Diabetes

jesper0120@yahoo.com — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:20:59 GMT

Judy, there are are 2 kinds of people. The ones that are spending all their time working against other ideas, other people and methods. Then again there are these people that spend all their time finding a solution to problems. Choose which side you want to take. I know which one I take.

The discussion you and Blobby had can only find a solution in heaven. Why, because there are always people looking for a way to find themselves to be right. How do you feel that you are right? Either through your heart, or through experiments, or by having the same ideas as the majority of what people are thinking. BUT WHO DECIDES WHAT IS RIGHT OR WRONG? It is not the government, it is not your parents, it is not God (because God wants us to be able to choose for ourselves) and it is not the majority of the people. It is only YOU, that can decide what is wrong and right. And then again, is your decision taken from a spiritual, scientific, human or professional standpoint? The decision about what is right today might be different another day, when you are in a different mood, or when a new scientist give you new input, or if you see a miracle or if you realize that you do not need to be right.

By the way, Judy, if you haven't noticed yet, this page is about What Doctors Did Not Tell You. That is, we try to get a different view than our "health experts" are giving us. Why? Because they are not curing us. Why? Because they cannot. Why? Because medicin never cures, it only moves the problem to another part of the body. And because the only one that can cure ME is MYSELF.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect."
- Mark Twain

Ok, back to the subject! Diabetes and how to get well?

There are a couple of approaches to take. Either you become cured, symptom free or stay balanced with the problem. It is best if you right now decide which approach you want to take.

1. Cured: Clean your internal systems of problems using various kinds of detoxes. I personally recommend www.DrClark.net (www.drclark.com for products) and her "The Cure for all diseases" where you get detailed information of how to clean kidneys, liver, bowels and parasites etc.

2. Symptom free: Go vegan and eat raw food. In www.rawfor30days.com you could see that the "patients" had no symptoms after the 30 day diet. But can you sure to become cured? Do you want to risk your health status by going back to candy, ice-cream and soft drinks? No, probably not.

3. Balanced: Continue using insulin and be dependent of doctors that monitor your health.

Note1. This is probably the best method seen over a long period, but also one of the more costly. Note2. Probably the most time consuming, but you will definetely loose weight for instance. Note3. In the long run you might not be able to do what you want in all perspectives of life. I.e. depending on insulin every day.

Re: Support for Type 1 Diabetes

gpedersen — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:01:19 GMT

Stopp eating gluten and milkproducts !!! Lokk up GFCF diet.

And all diet sodas and other things with apertame etc.

And read this link:

http://www.naturalnews.com/026519_blood_sugar_blood_sugar.html

Re: Support for Type 1 Diabetes

SueEBE — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:27:45 GMT

I meant 2 links rather than 2 websites as they are the same.

All the best

Sue

Re: Support for Type 1 Diabetes

SueEBE — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:26:07 GMT

Thanks Judy. I understand that you no longer wish to continue with this discussion.

I looked into the two websites you recommended with interest and went directly to the section on foods. I then saw that the Diabetic UK is sponsored by Mullerlight and Canderel which unfortunately seems to back up what Robin was saying about following the money. I have to admit that I lost interest as soon as I saw that diet fizzy drinks were "okay". The reason I lost immediate interest was I went to the dentist a few years back and he told me that the acid they use in the dental profession which tastes foul is actually the same stuff which is put into fizzy drinks - with loads of additives to make it taste palatable.

Anyhow, thank you for your input.

Sue

Re: Support for Type 1 Diabetes

Beanz — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:40:53 GMT

By complex gene-environment interactions which are explained helpfully by an interplay of risk factors. Please do see

http://www.diabetes.org.uk/Guide-to-diabetes/Introduction-to-diabetes/Causes_and_Risk_Factors

I don't want to enter a debate about processed vs. organic foods. Its the monounsaturated fats that are healthier than saturated fats, but to be more detailed, a healthy diet is one where the fat source is mainly monounsaturated fat with only a small amount of saturated fat (easily obtainable by eating animal products). Absolutely correct that anything in excess is not to be recommended.

Signing off on this debate now!!

Thanks, Judy

Re: Support for Type 1 Diabetes

SueEBE — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:15:27 GMT

Hi Judy

Thanks for the explanatory reply. Just a couple more questions if you don't mind.

I understand how overweight people can become diabetic - however, how about the underweight and normal range, if overweight is the major contributory factor?

The one thing I was very surprised about was your comment that margarine is healthier than butter, mainly considering it is a processed food. I remember seeing a demonstration when a tub of margarine and a pat of butter were left uncovered outside. The butter melted and was devoured by insects. However the margarine remained exactly the same and the insects didn't touch it. It looked like the equivalent of plastic. How can this be healthier for the human body? Surely it's just a case of a balanced diet and not too much butter? Anything in excess isn't to be recommended.

Thanks

Sue

Re: Support for Type 1 Diabetes

blobby — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:06:30 GMT

Hi Judy,

I recommend Chek's book because I have been trained by him,respect him and know from experience the info in it is sound and works...be nice to earn a few quid by doing so but 'fraid it hasn't happened yet.

For proof charities are linked to drug companies just follow the money!!

The prevention/cure of chronic disease is not elusive at all...it is really very simple...eat the foods nature provided for us...the real question is "why haven't you been taught it?"

Thanks for the Quackwatch link...it is a great website for finding a healing modality that actually works because if you look carefully you will see that just about everyone on it has actually done something good in the health community...which is precisely why they are villified by Stephen Barrett.

I urge you to be very wary of and to question your "Graduate Dietitian" education, which if you look closely, will have been funded by the processed food industry.

If you really want to learn about nutrition go and talk to an Organic farmer.

Yours in Health

Robin

Re: Support for Type 1 Diabetes

Beanz — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:57:11 GMT

Hi Blobby

On the contrary. By reading peer reviewed journals, you would get a balanced viewpoint by many researchers as opposed to one author whom you have to pay £10 for the privilege to read. If people read the book as advised by you it is in the author's interests... hence why "CHEK lifestyle coaches" such as yourself recommend it. Perhaps there’s an “agreement” between the CHEK institute and the author – just a thought. I think I’ll stick with peer-reviewed journals, but thanks for the advice.

It would be interesting to see your proof substantiating the claim that charities are just the PR arm of drug companies, but I suspect you don't have any.

Are you actually suggesting that if people follow exactly what you prescribe then they would be cured of diabetes, heart disease and cancer? If so then perhaps you have found the elusive cure for chronic disease... Eureka?!

Judy

Ps. http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/nutrabalance.html

Re: Support for Type 1 Diabetes

Beanz — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:23:24 GMT

Hi Sue

I can understand the confusion, there is often a disconnect between evidence-based science and what is seen and heard in the media (TV, magazines, radio, online forums etc.).

I won't comment on alkaline diets as I am unaware of any evidence for these.

As mentioned previously, being overweight is a major contributory cause of Type 2 Diabetes and of course to become overweight one must over a long period eat more (food) than use up (exercise). This is the connection regarding the cause. Once somebody has Diabetes then as you rightly say diet does have a lot to do with staying healthy.

But sugar is not the cause of Diabetes. For example, if it were as simple as that wouldn’t everyone develop diabetes after childhood? There are other more complex interactions going on which are still to a large extent unknown. Also, not all GPs are trained in dietetics or nutritional science but perhaps find advising patients to avoid sugar the easiest way to explain healthy eating.

TV Chefs are also generally not trained in nutrition, but I would agree that monounsaturated fats provided by margarine are a “healthier” alternative to butter which is pure saturated fat. This is a fundamentally widely accepted fact.

I hope this has clarified a few things. If you are interested to know more, the Diabetes UK is an excellent, very trustworthy source of information.

All the best,

Judy

Re: Support for Type 1 Diabetes

blobby — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 11:41:58 GMT

Hi Judy,

If you base all your views on "scientific research" and what's in peer reviewed journals you will mostly get what the "science for hire" researchers want you to read because "research" is most definately bought and paid for by big business interests to condition you with their dogma.

About 85% of scientists that publish the research that you base your opinions on are on the pay roll of big corporations... so no conflict of interest there then.

There are some good charities out there for sure but the major diabetes,heart and cancer foundations are not among them.

These "charities" are just the PR arm of the drug companies and the processed food manufacturers and are there solely to PROMOTE their particular disease and make stacks of money treating symptoms...NOT cure or even prevent it.

The healthy plate diagram contains far too many hi GI carbs for most people and is a one size fits all approach which takes no account of each individuals genetic make up,race,bio chemical individuality,body type etc

Eating any sugar beats the hell out of the pancreas which is a primary cause of diabetes in the first place so how can it be healthy for someone who's pancreas is not functioning correctly.

My comments are "wild and incorrect" only when viewed from the allopathic,business as usual view point...common sense and the fact that in spite of billions of pounds in "scientific research", stacks of "specialists" and that diabetes,heart disease,cancer and a just about every other chronic degenerative disease is massively on the increase would tend to suggest otherwise.

Yours in Health

Robin

Re: Support for Type 1 Diabetes

SueEBE — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 11:05:44 GMT

Hi Judy

I'm a bit confused about this diabetes issue. My aunt and her son in law have both contracted diabetes. They were told by their GP to immediately stop eating sugary foods and that their diets were the reason for their situation.

My mother also has a sweet tooth and recently was told by the doctor that she needed to change her diet in order to avoid diabetes.

I have read about alkaline diets and they claim to be able to help diabetic people reduce their medication. As you are inferring that diet has absolutely nothing to do with diabetes, in your opinion are they lying?

With due respect, in various fields of nutrition I have noticed (as a layman) that new findings don't seem to be incorporated into the curriculum. A friend has just been to a nutritionist and she was told exactly the same as I was told 20 years ago. It was a one size fits all consultation. Even on television the other week I heard a TV chef state that she was using margarine as a healthier alternative to butter. I assume nutrition would be part of her professional credentials. Who taught her this?

Sugar is indeed a poison - one which I can't always resist. However, there is a price to pay other than weight gain. If I eat too much sugar my eyesight is affected and it becomes blurred. Come off the sugar and it improves immediately.

I don't know what country you are in, but I'm in the UK. I am constantly horrified by the adverts promoting cereals for children which are sugar laden. If a child doesn't want to drink milk then give it to them with a chocolate or strawberry coated straw. I ask you!!

I know I have gone off the subject of diabetes to some extent, but I truly believe that diet does have a lot to do with it. Definitely the stage 2 diabetes anyway. I wonder if there were any diabetic cave men????

Sue

Re: Support for Type 1 Diabetes

Beanz — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:19:12 GMT

Hi Blobby

I was after some specific well-conducted research published in peer-reviewed scientific journals which is what health professionals tend to use to back up their advice rather than books.

Diabetes UK is actually a charity, and they provide valued support, advice and guidance to patients with Diabetes. They most certainly have patients' health at their heart - this being their fundamental ethos.

The Healthy Plate recommendation of 1/3 of daily intake is not simply refined processed carbohydrates. It's actually starchy carbohydrates which are recommended to be as unrefined as possible.

The rest of your statements are so wild and incorrect (e.g "causes insulin to hit the roof" - how would this happen if one were diabetic?) that it would take far too much time to respond to.

Judy

Re: Support for Type 1 Diabetes

Beanz — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:25:27 GMT

John.

If a particular diet was actually the cause of Diabetes then you would be correct. However, it is incorrect to say that diet causes Diabetes - either type 1 or type 2. But of course being overweight contributes to the cause of Type 2.

If you re-read my entry you will notice that I did not actually suggest any particular diet in any case and was simply trying to mitigate the potential damage caused by Blobby's advice that is not evidence-based.

Judy

Re: Support for Type 1 Diabetes

blobby — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:07:06 GMT

Hi Judy,

The evidence is the healthy survival of the human race for millions of years eating organic foods available locally...if they couldn't catch it or it didn't grow it didn't exist so it was not consumed...over thousands of years people became designed to thrive on the very foods in the area they lived.

My advice is read The Metabolic Typing Diet by William Wollcott...there is ample evidence contained therein.

Go to the Diabetes UK website and on the Your Questions Answered page it clearly states "eating sugar does not cause diabetes" it actually goes so far as to RECOMMEND adding table sugar to your diet as long as it doesn't exceed 1/5 of daily calories!!!...I really looked hard but couldn't find the Tate and Lyle logo but they HAD to be sponsoring that garbage info.

The Healthy Plate recommendation is largely refined,processed carbs like pasta,breads and rice which cause insulin to hit the roof.

Lots of fruit is also recommended...fruit contains FRUCTOSE which works the pancreas,raises insulin levels and promotes fat storage.

Saturated animal fats from an ORGANIC,FREE RANGE source are absolutely VITAL to health...50% of the cell wall is saturated fat and cholesterol is required for the production of hormones but we are told to avoid them...read Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston A Price and THEN tell me saturated fat causes heart disease.

Processed sugar is a POISON and should NOT be consumed by ANYONE especially diabetics.

If somebody is going hypo then organic fruit would be my choice and not processed sugar.

If Diabetes UK and the like really had peoples health at heart they would at the very least recommend eating ORGANIC quality food to and AVOID ALL PROCESSED GARBAGE FOODS LIKE THE PLAGUE...the fact they do not do this is because they and their "experts" are controlled and educated by the processed food and the drug industries.

Diabetes is a disease of MALNOURISHMENT....these people need REAL nutrition NOT the crap that is recommended by "the experts with many years experience" who in my opinion are the same "experts" who advise on cancer and heart disease and look where that has got us.

Yours in health.

Robin