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  •  08-19-2009, 12:34 PM 9012 in reply to 8959

    Re: Swine Flu Alert & GBS - vaccination

    Hi mcharris

    Just want to acknowledge your input here. Because it was long I flicked over it and have just come back to it. Love the proof that the Amish and the non-vaccinating doctor have the same autistic statistics - good ammunition for later 'arguments'. You may be interested in the 'Should I Vaccinate My 8-week Old Baby?" site - some lively debate going on there too!

    Cheers 

  •  08-19-2009, 5:02 PM 9021 in reply to 8965

    Re: But Seriously...

    Thanks, Heidi! For sure I will check it out. I'd like to get trained in healing touch and maybe open my own practice some day.

     

  •  08-19-2009, 5:11 PM 9022 in reply to 8974

    Re: But Seriously...

    Hi Sue,

    I absolutely believe in the mind-body-spirit connection! Fascinating that you do healing touch as well. It would be great if researchers investigated that, I totally agree.

    I was very interested in what Candace Pert had to say in Bleep about remission of terminal illnesses and how people kept telling her about having had them. I don't know someone myself who had that happen, but my ex-fiance's roommate did. He was given a few days to live (IIRC), switched to a macrobiotic diet and quite simply got well again.

    To give another possible example of that kind of connection, a service manager who retired shortly before I began work at one company was diagnosed with cancer and given six months to live. I was still getting his former colleagues to sign a card for him when we heard that he had died - in three days. He was a very angry man by all accounts and had completely alienated his son. I still wonder - did he simply give up? It certainly didn't sound like he had any light in his life to help him find his own cure.

  •  08-19-2009, 5:23 PM 9023 in reply to 8390

    Re: Swine Flu Alert

    Please note that I am not advocating that everyone run out and get their swine flu vaccination! At present I am neutral about it.

    However, since I work in a healthcare organization, I wanted to offer this perspective on the potential pandemic. It is true that the H1N1 flu is usually "mild" (not that flu is ever fun), though some people have died of it. The healthcare folks I work with are not disputing that. The reason we are gearing up for a pandemic is not because the flu is such a killer, but because if we do have a pandemic (by the technical definition, "An epidemic (a sudden outbreak) that becomes very widespread"), the healthcare system will not otherwise be able to meet the abrupt very heavy demand for healthcare services. In other words, it's not because of how ill people become; it's how many are ill at the same time.

     

  •  08-19-2009, 6:40 PM 9029 in reply to 9023

    Re: Swine Flu Alert

    Hi Laura - I seem to be talking to you a lot today.

    Regarding the lady in Australia - she lived because she had 3 young daughters and to her dying wasn't an option, so she found a way to heal herself.  Another lady in the same place was given the same 3 month sentence by her doctor and died within a few days of the 3 months as she absolutely believed what she had been told.  She went down hill rapidly after the diagnosis.

    Another friend of mine's mother got diagnosed with a terminal disease which the doctor felt duty bound to tell her about so she could put her affairs in order.  My friend threatened him with unimaginable horrors if he dared tell her mother she had only months to live.  The doctor said nothing and her mother lived for a number of years past her due date.

    The power of the mind is phenomenal - I have a friend who has been going backwards and forwards to Mexico quite happily knowing that he won't contract swine flu.  A friend of his has been travelling on London transport and got swine flu and, because of all he'd been hearing about it, was sure he was going to die.  He had no doubt he was on his death bed.  He is a very negative person and luckily enough my friend told him not to be so stupid and didn't buy into his panic.  I am happy to report he is feeling much better and going about his business as usual.

    People's health is very personal to them and it is gratifying when people log on here and ask for help and advice and also share their experiences.  It shows that they are taking responsibility for their own well being and not automatically believing everything they are told.  People who live intuitively and search out all the options are possibly the ones in better health than the ones who just do what their doctor tells them to.  They can then make an informed decision about which route to take.

    Wishing you well on your own individual journey.

    Sue 

  •  08-20-2009, 2:06 PM 9043 in reply to 8462

    Re: Swine Flu Alert

    The H1N1 flu has only caused 353 US deaths (as of July 31),though CDC estimated over one million Americans had been infected (as of June 30). Instead of 70%, H1N1's death rate is under 0.03%. Therefore, this virus in no way justifies the risks the population is being asked to take: receiving vaccines, and perhaps experimental adjuvants, which their manufacturers have been encouraged not to test, with no prospect of compensation for illness or death that might result.

    Prison Planet.com
    Thursday, July 30, 2009

    The Washington Post confirmed today that the swine flu vaccine, which is set to be rolled out nationwide this fall in what some fear could ultimately become a mandatory vaccination program, will contain mercury, a toxin linked with autism and neurological disorders.

    Claims by the CDC and the Institute of Medicine, following a whitewash study that ignored previously verified evidence, that thimerosal, a mercury based preservative, has no causal relationship to skyrocketing cases of autism have been soundly rejected by top doctors and scientists ever since.

    Epidemiologist Tom Verstraeten and Dr. Richard Johnston, an immunologist and pediatrician from the University of Colorado, both concluded that thimerosal was responsible for the dramatic rise in cases of autism but their findings were dismissed by the CDC.

    Cases of autism in the U.S. have increased by 1,500 per cent since 1991, which is when vaccines for children doubled, and the number of immunizations is only increasing. Just one in 2,500 children were diagnosed with autism before 1991, whereas one in 166 children now have the disease.

    A peer reviewed study by Dr. Mark Geier which appeared in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons showed that the IOM research was flawed because it was largely based on a Danish study by Anders Peter Hviid, which did not account for the fact that American children have a much higher mercury burden than children in Denmark.

    “At the high levels (of thimerosal exposure), it is undeniable there is a causal relationship, and we have gone to high levels. Their studies, therefore are not relevant, I am not saying they are wrong, although there are many criticisms of it. It is just not relative to the US situation,” said Geier.

    Geier’s study concludes that there is an increase of neurodevelopment disorders following the use of thimerosal containing vaccines.

    Dr. Rashid Buttar, who has pioneered a new treatment for autistic children that removes mercury from their bodies, said the Institute of Medicine’s conclusion that mercury does not cause autism demonstrates the “complete absence of any desire to discover scientific truth at the supposed highest levels of medical academia.”

    “When 31 children recover from a devastating disease by a simple transdermal treatment that detoxifies metals, then common sense dictates that perhaps metals are involved,” states Dr. Bob Nash the chairman of the American Board of Clinical Metal Toxicology (ABCMT) in regard to Dr. Buttar’s treatment.

    “In 1977, a Russian study found that adults exposed to ethylmercury, the form of mercury in thimerosal, suffered brain damage years later. Studies on thimerosal poisoning also describe tubular necrosis and nervous system injury, including obtundation, coma and death. As a result of these findings, Russia banned thimerosal from children’s vaccines in 1980. Denmark, Austria, Japan, Great Britain and all the Scandinavian countries have also banned the preservative,” writes Dawn Prate.

    Mercury is classified by The Department of Defense as a hazardous material that could cause death if swallowed, inhaled or absorbed through the skin, and the EPA is now limiting mercury emissions from factories because the toxin “can damage the brain and nervous system and is especially dangerous to fetuses and small children,” but according to the CDC it’s perfectly safe to inject into your child’s bloodstream.

    Despite concerns about thimerosal and mercury, which have led to the preservative being reduced or removed from a large portion of vaccines over the last five years, thimerosal will be an ingredient of the swine flu vaccine which is set to arrive in the U.S. this September.

    “Some of the vaccine will be stored in multi-dose vials containing thimerosal, an antibacterial additive that contains mercury,” reports the Washington Post today in an article about which groups will receive the swine flu vaccine first.

    “There will also be single-dose syringes without thimerosal, a substance that some assert is harmful to children,” adds the article, without mentioning whether or not people who take the vaccine will get a choice or even be informed if it contains mercury.

    Around 12,000 U.S. children will be used as guinea pigs for the experimental swine flu vaccine also known to contain the dangerous ingredient squalene, which has been directly linked with cases of Gulf War Syndrome and a host of other debilitating diseases.

    Squalene “contributed to the cascade of reactions called “Gulf War syndrome. (GIs developed) arthritis, fibromyalgia, lymphadenopathy, rashes, photosensitive rashes, malar rashes, chronic fatigue, chronic headaches, abnormal body hair loss, non-healing skin lesions, aphthous ulcers, dizziness, weakness, memory loss, seizures, mood changes, neuropsychiatric problems, anti-thyroid effects, anaemia, elevated ESR (erythrocyte sedimentation rate), systemic lupus erythematosus, multiple sclerosis, ALS, Raynaud’s phenomenon, Sjorgren’s syndrome, chronic diarrhea, night sweats and low-grade fever,” according to Micropaleontologist Dr. Viera Scheibner.

    Pharmaceutical companies can be assured that they won’t face reprisals for the many thousands of injuries and deaths that will inevitably occur as a result of exposing millions to mercury and squalene during a mass vaccination program, because the government has already acted to provide them with blanket immunity from lawsuits.

    “Vaccine makers and federal officials will be immune from lawsuits that result from any new swine flu vaccine, under a document signed by Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius,” reported the Associated Press earlier this month.

  •  08-20-2009, 2:39 PM 9045 in reply to 9043

    Re: Swine Flu Alert

    Just goes to show that these science fiction horror films and films like "The Matrix" aren't really that off the mark!!

    Scary stuff!  Especially as there will be no reprisals or responsibility attached.  Makes my blood run cold!! 

  •  08-22-2009, 2:41 AM 9069 in reply to 9045

    Re: Swine Flu Alert

    Hi Laura
    Why do you state that people have died 'of Swine Flu' when it seems that those who die after contracting it were already in a fragile state? Just another two were reported dead (somewhere - I don't pay much attention), but the news report was honest enough to say that both of them were in a bad way before they caught it. I don't believe for a minute that this flu is a killer - but any virus would be dangerous for an already sick person - and we all know that hospitals are the worst places to go if you're sick, with superbugs rife, which I know all about personally.

    You must know that they need to keep the numbers up - keep the H1N1 in the news so that people go for their vaccinations as soon as they come out. And since it is now confirmed that squalene is in it - and that the vaccine companies cannot be prosecuted for any damages - they have absolutely no incentive to make sure it's safe (if they ever would!). 

    What people  should be doing is boosting their immune systems naturally so they simply don't get the virus. My brother is sending me his zapper - not that I'm at all worried about catching it - moreso to help any friends who get flu-like symptoms and start to panic. What I have read about the H1N1 anyway, is that there is no one vaccine that will deal with it because of its man-made interference of 4 different virus strains.

    I wish you would understand that these pharmaceutical companies do not want us to be well - they would be out of a job!! If they look like they're helping us, it's because they know jolly well that down the track people will have to come back to them .. why else would they put mercury in the toxins and other terrible chemicals?

    As I keep saying; we use this site to get away from medical solutions, so I truly wish you'd drop the subject. We know you're for it - but we're against it. I'd much rather know what you think of BodyTalk, or the Bioptron light......
    Heidi 

     

  •  08-27-2009, 5:22 PM 9230 in reply to 8547

    Re: Swine Flu Alert (Potential Weaponization of some Vaccines)

    Errol,

    It is my opinion that dragging in and trying to associate anti-Jewish views with a vaccination debate, and using this forum to promote absolute utter nonsense such as The Protocols of the Elder of Zion, which is a bogus doctrine constructed by non-Jews in order to incite hatred and blame Jews for the world's problem, is  utterly unacceptable and constitutes abuse of this forum.  Hitler in fact  used and exploited the lies in this anti-Jewish piece of propaganda in order to murder Jews and incite others to do his bidding against Jews. Your rediculous, absurd  and racially hateful views therefore have no place on this site.

    Harradine is rational and is debating the subject at hand.  He is not promoting his own personal prejudices against one ethnic group or another and this is not what this forum is for.

     

     Adelaide .

  •  08-27-2009, 5:40 PM 9231 in reply to 8547

    Re: Swine Flu Alert (Potential Weaponization of some Vaccines)

    Errol,

    I find your ranting so utterly rediculous that I don't know where to start.

    First of all,  to all of you who don't know about the Elders of the Protocols of Zion - it is an anti-Jewish doctrine written by anti-semites that Errol refers to and he somehow irrationally manages to interweave into this vaccine debate, please be assured it is nothing more than a discredited piece of utter nonsense that Hitler used in order to incite hatred against Jews. It is dredged up again and again, much as the discredited science of eugenics is used when trying to "prove" blacks and Jews are sub-human. What this has to do with swine fly vaccination is beyond the imagination.

    I am now more drawn to read about Harradine's views than I was before, he does not exploit use of this forum in order to promote hostility against one ethnic group or another and doesn' t rant on and on about conspiracy theories. If Errol's "contribution" is part of the "opposing" side against Harradine, then I am being much more persuaded to read what Harradine has to say. 

    Adelaide

     

    Below I am quoting some of the segments of Errol's "speech" that I consider to be racially hateful and which have no place in this debate.

    " The worrying part is that White Europeans are already trapped in a depopulation cycle thanks to the contraceptive pill, abortion, feminism, and a suicidal lack of will to reproduce. This reality is being cynically masked by the elite engineering, through mass immigration and the toleration of illegal immigration. White people have been brainwashed into paying taxes in order that brown people can be helped to breed on the soil of every (former) white nation. What the antidote for self-hatred is, I really don't know. Clearly then, the Elite have no particular plans to see White European culture thrive ever again. Meanwhile, India's population has exploded from 350-million in 1947 to over 1,200-million today; and the population of the Philippines has exploded from around 38-million in the late 1960s, to around 80-million today.More Arabs were born after 1970 than the sum total who had ever lived up to that time.

    "The Rothschild Illuminati Conspiracy is the essential challenge facing mankind. Talk of US imperialism, capitalism and "hate" (antisemitism) is a red herring.

    The world is in the advanced stages of a diabolical multi generational conspiracy. The general method and goals have all been revealed in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Our educators, leaders and media have largely been subverted."

     

  •  08-28-2009, 12:11 AM 9238 in reply to 9231

    Re: Swine Flu Alert (Potential Weaponization of some Vaccines)

    Hypocrisy is something I have never learned. I am earnest about science.  I do not play with it.

    Adelaid I appreciate you appreciation of my views.  But I would hope to earn praise on merit of what I say, and not simply because I disagree with a few people here, as you will understand.

     You are right, I put forward no agenda, make no claims and expect no one to accept a word I say on trust.  But I believe there is a danger in giving  health advice that may be wrong.  Trusting people unaware of the nature of this website may see it as an actual source of health and advice and end up become yet more ill.

    However, kiwi girl has made a good job of pointing out to new posters precisely that this is a website for those who have little regard for mainstream medical opinion and are solely trusting of 'holistic' views.  I think that was lacking here before hand.  Some treatments (such as Lynne McTaggart's 'zero point field' etc) claim to be based on mainstream science.  Which any 14 year old student of science can tell you they are not.  So as long as every casual surfer looking for help knows that this is not an evidence based site, but an 'alternative' one, then little harm can be done. 

    I think as long as that qualification is always made when advice is given, then no real harm will ever be done.   If anyone chooses alternative health advice knowingly and willingly, in full knowledge that it is 'alternative' and not supported by mainstream thought, then that is clearly their choice and it is certainly not my place to twist arms of people who willfully reject one view for another, no matter how ill informed that choice is. 

    Anyone who uses a magic wand to treat their illness should continue to do so.   I think this website lays its stall out pretty clearly now.  That is a good thing.

  •  08-28-2009, 1:39 AM 9241 in reply to 9238

    Re: Swine Flu Alert (Potential Weaponization of some Vaccines)

    Hi Harradine,

    I haven't been on the site for over a month and was taken back to see so much hostility going on. I guess I stand somewhere in the middle of the debate as I have treated recurrence of colon cancer by "alternative" methods but they were recommended by two close friends who are very conventional scientists and well respected in their field, who are researching  interference of glycolysis as a way to prevent cancer cells from synthesizing their DNA.

    When I was informed that I must have concurrent radiation and chemotherapy and then more radical surgery I phoned my friends who are biophysicists and they referred me to a clinic in the States which administers a diet called CAAT - Controlled Amino Acid Therapy. But this deprivation diet is based on the known biochemistry of cancer cells and exploits weaknesses of their metabolic process which as you know is different to the metabolic cycle of healthy cells. Well I would be interested to hear what you think if you read about it.  The clinic that adminsters the diet, A P John Cancer Institute and has information for physicians and scientists on it. I am  under a renouned cancer hospital who moniter me regularly as I have HNPCC and my MRI scans showed shrinkage of the recurrent growth from 3 cms down to 2.6 after 6 weeks on the diet and then it disappeared off the radar - simultaneously my colonoscopies showed drastic improvement of the diseased areas of the colon. The CAAT diet is not anti chemo or anti radiation and some patients incorporate the diet into their chemotherapy.

    Harradine, I was a nurse for many years and I can tell you that over the years many treatments that were routinely administered in the 70s and 80s are now disproven and defunct. However at the time they were used they were presented as scientifically sound and safe. There is always a gap in knowledge when any drug is developed. And many of the trials do not include important criteria for deciding their efficacy- there is also a presumption that individuals on drug trials are reliable and completely  honest in their responses to the routine quesionnaires. However many people wanting  to be compliant do not give all the information requested,  or they may make life style changes during  the trial that should be considered by the  developers of the drug but are ignored. 

    Well I look forward to future exchanges and thank you for your reply.

     Adelaide

  •  08-28-2009, 4:18 PM 9249 in reply to 9241

    Re: Swine Flu Alert (Potential Weaponization of some Vaccines)

    Jeez I hate keeping this going, but I hate being misquoted and misinterpreted more!

    I have never said what he said I said: I said this site is for those who want to explore ideas and suggestions OTHER than medical ones.. and if someone is more interested in the medical data, then they can go on a medical site, no problem. Pure and simple. There is not one story on this site which talks of failure, but Adelaide the nurse has pointed out that many 'scientifically proven' procedures are defunct and disproven - in other words many have proven disastrous for people who trusted doctors to FIRST DO NO HARM.

    This is not a debating site; and H. should know that the science that is being taught in schools is 20 years out of date. He purports to taking the scientific sector to task when they get it wrong, but in every single piece he writes here, he never ceases to dismiss or ridicule what we share and he doesn't have any PROOF that this stuff doesn't work - it just doesn't seem like it should - to his tiny brain!! He keeps asking us to prove it - be we don't have to because we know what we know. It's up to the doubter to prove that it's wrong - and I wish a lot more of that went on in the medical sector.

    He wants scientific proof (which is useless based on the number of times they get it wrong and have to admit so) but totally negates the HUMAN proof of those who did what he says is impossible, and continue to live in better health because of it. That, in itself, would get most skeptics pondering if there's not something to all this, but noooo, not him. It's glossed over like it was never said. It is so preposterous to him that holistic methods work, that he simply can't take it in. And that is what is the most frustrating; we are continuing dialogue with someone who is so one-sided in his thinking it's squeezed out all other possibilites.

    H. treats all people on this site as if they are vastly inferior in brain power to him and that we don't have the nous to look at other options (even medical ones) or do our own research into what is suggested. Nobody has said "I did this and it worked for me - now prove me wrong" so what does H. think his role is on this site - oh yes, policeman, upholding the medical laws, but - once again - a lot of people come on sites like this because they've been harmed by medical procedures (all too easy), or they have been told there's no other way except deadly poisons - or no cure at all. To have a ranter and raver pro-medical type waiting in the wings to pounce is extremely off-putting.

    He says very proudly that he doesn't offer advice - then what does he call telling people to be extremely wary, that we're all 'woo woo' and that nobody can expect to get any sensible answers to their questions? He certainly doesn't offer solutions - except to say Buyer Beware. To quote him - ohh this is so boring because great big chasms can be driven through each of his points - "But I believe there is a danger in giving health advice that may be wrong". Talk about shooting himself in the foot (pity it's not in the mouth). THIS IS WHAT THE MEDICAL SECTOR DOES ON A REGULAR BASIS. But that doesn't count as dangerous, apparently .. it's just their way of refining their product though using people as their guinea pigs because the real ones have all died horrible deaths.

    I'm going to have to go away and work on myself; I said I would never answer a H. jibe again, and I've gone and done it. Has anyone got an anti-Harradine remedy short of cutting my fingers off...? I'll tap on it: "Even though I allow this @#&^%*+! to get under my skin, I deeply and completely understand why, even though I need to get over it...." Tap tap tap..

  •  09-03-2009, 11:04 AM 9347 in reply to 9249

    Re: Swine Flu Alert (Potential Weaponization of some Vaccines)

    Thought I would post two new bits of info about Swine Flu:

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/09/03/WHO-Admits-to-Releasing-Pandemic-Virus-into-Population-via-MockUp-Vaccines.aspx

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/09/03/One-of-the-Key-Herbs-that-Prevents-and-Treats-Swine-Flu.aspx

    Enjoy

    Robin


    Robin Allan
    Chek Practitioner
    Natural Health Coach

    http://www.robinallan.com


    robin_allan@hotmail.com

    07967-366470
  •  09-03-2009, 12:40 PM 9349 in reply to 9347

    Re: Swine Flu Alert (Potential Weaponization of some Vaccines)

    Gleaned from Natural News:
    On June 11 the World Health Organization (WHO) raised its swine flu pandemic alert from a 5 to a 6. Phase 6 is the highest level alert, and reflects the speed with which a virus is spreading -- not its severity.
    This classification also allows for a vaccine to qualify for a “fast-track” procedure for licensing and approval, and this process is now ongoing for the swine flu vaccine.

    What you may not know, however, is that WHO, together with health officials, regulatory authorities and vaccine manufacturers, have been working since 2007 – long before this new “threat” of swine flu emerged – to “explore a broad range of issues surrounding the regulatory approval of pandemic vaccines.”
    According to the WHO website:

    “Ways were sought to shorten the time between the emergence of a pandemic virus and the availability of safe and effective vaccines.”

    One such method used in Europe is to conduct advance studies using a “mock-up” vaccine that contains an active ingredient for an influenza virus that has not circulated recently in human populations.
    When testing these mock-up vaccines, it is very possible to release the novel influenza virus into the population, as its purpose is to “mimic the novelty of a pandemic virus” and “greatly expedite regulatory approval.”
    By very definition, fast-tracked vaccines are those that have received very little safety testing prior to being used. So any time you agree to get one, you are essentially a guinea pig.

    Vaccine manufacturer GlaxoSmithKline has actually stated:

    "Clinical trials will be limited, due to the need to provide the vaccine to governments as quickly as possible. Additional studies will therefore be required and conducted after the vaccine is made available."

    And WHO likewise says:

    “Time constraints mean that clinical data at the time when pandemic vaccines are first administered will inevitably be limited. Further testing of safety and effectiveness will need to take place after administration of the vaccine has begun.”

    Why would anyone who knows the facts sign up for a vaccine that really needs further safety studies … but won’t receive them until AFTER it’s already been given out? By then it will be too late.
    So please realize that if you or your child receive a swine flu vaccine, you will be acting as a TEST subject.

    Who stands to benefit from all of this paranoia and hysteria?Of course you know the answer to this one.

    Big Pharma … which stands to gain up to $49 billion a year on the swine flu vaccine alone plus an infinite amount on top of that for future pandemic vaccines.

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