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  •  10-24-2008, 11:46 PM 5923 in reply to 5849

    Re: Cervarix and Gardasil

    Alla, 

    Alla Cranham:

     

    Brandon, if you GENUINELY do not know why people may have different rate of detoxification and that vitamins overdoses can be harmful, how come that you dare to offer health advice to other people on this website which follows from your other postings as well?

     

     

     

    Could you please point out where I offered health advice rather than sharing my own personal experiences?

    Would you also care to point out what a Vitamin overdose is for various Vitamines? 

    Alla Cranham:

     

         This can be dangerous or even harmful to those who tend to trust to what you say on this website!

     

     

     Have I not repeated over and over again in my postings that nobody should do anything in blind faith including following my words?

     

    Alla Cranham:
     

    One homeopath told her patient who was on steroidal drug therapy after his kidney implantation to stop taking the drug, and he did … and lost his implant. At least this homeopath had an indemnity cover. Do you have the same?

    I would like to verify that story. Could you post a link here? Such a homeopath certainly does not deserve to call him/herself a homeopath. I also wonder what indemnity the families of the 780,000 people in the US alone who annually die from the side effects of allopathic drugs can take recourse to.

    Alla Cranham:
      

     

    May be it is you who are executing genocide programme? Otherwise I can only think of possible personality disorder (which might be linked to some other health problem) and of which you may or may not be aware. And if that’s the case, seeing psychologist a.s.a.p. will only do you good. Sorry if this is not what you may want to hear, but taking an action to resolve the problem may well be in you own interest.

    There never seems to be a limit of disgrace people tend to descend into when out of arguments. I hope that you find grace and peace as soon as possible.

     

  •  10-27-2008, 8:40 PM 5952 in reply to 5923

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    My sisters 13 yr old daughter has just 1st dose of 3  Cervarix vaccines. She tells me that it was very sore & she had no feeling in her arm for 3 days. Is this a normal reaction? I am quite concerned about this since my niece has never been a well child suffering from one infection after another and missing lots of school until tonsils removed a year ago.

    If she were mine I don't think I would be happy for her to have the rest of the jabs.

    What do others think please?

    Adrienne.

  •  10-27-2008, 11:21 PM 5954 in reply to 5952

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    Vaccinations are the most dangerous things you can do to your body.

     

    You need to talk to your niece and convince her not to get the other vacs.

     

    How can it be sore and have no feeling at the same time? It should be one or the other. 

  •  10-28-2008, 8:16 AM 5956 in reply to 5954

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    Thats true?!

    I need to talk to her as you say to get real story but obviously  I do not want to alarm her.

    I think she meant that the injection site was sore but that her arm had no feeling.

    Will try to find out more today & keep you posted.

    Can she just say no at 13 yrs old?

    Thanks.

    Adrienne.

  •  10-28-2008, 2:15 PM 5961 in reply to 5956

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    I have just posted this on the other vaccine related discussion, but wanted to double up on it.

    I feel impelled to tell the story of a lady I met at a firm's party.  She was at my table and told me that it was the first night out that she and her husband had had in 8 years.  They have an autistic son.  She said that he was a happy little boy until he had the MMR vaccination - she didn't really want him to have it but was put under a lot of pressure and was made to feel that she wasn't a good mother if she didn't.  She said that a few days after the vaccination he started to change (he was only a baby at the time) and symptoms started that hadn't been there before.  The doctors tried to tell her that obviously her son had always been autistic and she just hadn't noticed, but she is absolutely convinced that it all stemmed from the MMR and the reaction it had on him.  Her son is now extremely disruptive and aggressive.

    This is obviously just one story and there are many people who haven't been badly affected, but it's a bit of a lottery in my opinion.

    Sue

  •  10-29-2008, 10:00 AM 5998 in reply to 4980

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    If you are looking for a medical opinion you could do worse than checking Dr Joseph Mercola's website for information on Gardasil and on other vaccinations:

     

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/09/27/gardasil-new-video-reveals-hidden-dangers.aspx

     

    Sue

  •  10-29-2008, 5:42 PM 6004 in reply to 5854

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    Hi Adelaide,

    Firstly, I have been reading this particular interesting discussion/rant/ paranoi (chose as you see fit:)) and would like to say ....in my opinion...it has by and large, been very interesting and well presented.

    However....loved your 'bit' about," A colleague of mine once said "would you put food in your mouth without looking at it or smelling it or without knowing its sell by date or if it is fresh" ? So why would you put a penis in your body when the consequences can be just as deadly?

     

    Firstly...I have never, to my knowledge, actually 'killed' anyone with mine....though the odd noise and heavy breathing might have suggested imminent expirey....probably just asthma..

     and secondly, the majority of the population seem to be shovelling all manner of c..p, masquarading as food, into their mouths without remotely thinking about the damage it is possibly doing them...let alone smelling it or knowing it's content, freshness, 'realness' ....far more damaging than most sexual exploits I would think! 

    I am constantly amazed at how the human race managed to survive, flourish and populate this planet .....considering the millenia we spent without the perceived 'neccessity' for Pharmaceuticals....How can we have been so deficient for sooooo long!;) 

    By the time we find out how useful/useless/damaging these two particular vaccines may be...can anyone tell me how many billions of pounds/dollars the manufacturers are predicted to make?...no, I thought not.


    David
  •  10-29-2008, 6:00 PM 6005 in reply to 6004

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    An excellent site here set up mainly for parents of vaccine damaged children.

    Some very knowledgeable people on here.

    http://www.jabs.org.uk/

    This one is set up by Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carey. Jenny's son had autism.

    http://www.talkaboutcuringautism.org/jenny/dc-rally/green-our-vaccines-rally.htm 

    Adrienne.

  •  11-04-2008, 8:48 AM 6051 in reply to 6005

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    I contacted Glaxo regarding my nieces reaction and they were very concerned and very keen to have details.

    Adrienmne.

     

  •  11-04-2008, 2:41 PM 6059 in reply to 4980

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    We have every right to be concerned. Why not educate adolescents against having sex without a condom or indeed give out free condoms? Moreover the HPV virus will naturally clear up after several years - assuming that the person affected has a good immune system. Furthermore the HPV virus only treats one of many strains of this virus. If your child contracts another strain the vaccine will not be effective. On the BBC ceefax today an article discusses how greater exposure to sex on TV encourages greater interest in sex. Surely we should by the same token reduce our exposure to influences which contribute to the problem.  What happens after a couple of years: are our children to be advised to have repeat vaccinations?  Somehow I suspect I know the answer.

    There are huge concerns over the state of medical knowledge. Many examples can be given of medical conclusions which were subsequently over-ruled in favour of later findings.  If we know so much about what is commonly referred to as medicine why do medical tests suffer from inaccuracies  - of up to 75% (there is NO gold standard against which diagnostic tests can be measured because the multisystemic origins of most conditions cannot yet be assessed - and why are 90% of drugs ineffective in 50% of the population? 

    I am concerned that vaccines are not even subject to the same evidential requirements as drugs i.e. where are the studies of vaccine to vaccine or vaccine to drug interactions. Surely if drugs have to be subject to examination of drug-drug interactions the same should apply to vaccines.  What will be the long-term consequences from the use of vaccine and yet more vaccines?

    I am advised that there are no problems with the use of the MMR vaccine yet the US has a fund which pays compensation to those who suffer harm (autistic spetrum disorders) arising from the use of the MMR vaccine. I understand that this fund has paid out over USD2BN. Children born into environments which do not use drugs or vaccines e.g. the Amish, do not appear to suffer from autism. No-one knows why this happens to these children.  Did you know that the rate of autism is still rising?  Getting back to the HPV vaccine has anyone bothered to look into those children, albeit relatively few who have been paralysed or have died following the vaccine. Relatively few I admit but that is little comfort to the parents.  Why do these side-effects occur.

    Should we be concerned over the HPV vaccine?  Has the safety of some vaccines has been proven beyond reasonable doubt? It really does not matter what I think. What do you think?

    Graham

     

     

     

  •  11-04-2008, 8:08 PM 6079 in reply to 6059

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    Here is the link to interesting study related to autism from Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine:

     http://archpedi.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/162/11/1026

    ... and another one on HPV Epidemiology from Cancer Research report:

    http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/68/21/8813

     

     

     


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  •  11-05-2008, 2:53 PM 6092 in reply to 6079

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    Here is a site that is very useful re health issues with children..

    If you scroll down you are able to download a liabilty form to give to practitioners giving vaccines who say there are no risks. I don't think many would sign it!! I have given one to my friend!

    Also some useful info on mobile phones.

    Adrienne.

    http://www.childrensfurniture.co.uk/vaccines.html

  •  11-16-2008, 5:48 PM 6199 in reply to 6092

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  •  11-18-2008, 1:38 PM 6215 in reply to 6079

    AMA

    Frankly, I will discount almost anything that comes from the AMA.  That organisation sold out many years ago.  It is beholden to pharmaceutical corporations.

    I find it surprising that no one has pointed out that nearly all people infected with the herpes viruses will naturally clear it from their systems within a few months.  Thus, a vaccination is being pushed to prevent a disease that nearly always has no harmful effects.

    There is also the fact that no one has shown a causal relationship between the herpes viruses and cervical cancer.  What about the fact that chlamydia is extremely common and also sexually transmitted?  It is a significant disease agent and is known to cause body-wide disorders.  Why the focus on herpes as the cause of cervical cancer (and known to be associated only with some cases), when the chlamydia fungus is so dangerous and has not been eliminated as a cancer cause?

    Then, there is the fact that cervical cancer is nearly always curable when found early, and is nearly always found early now.  It seems to me that the HPV vaccine, which is known to cause some severe immediate reactions and whose long-term effects are unknown (other than not being efficacious for very long), is being pushed as the cure for a disease for which no causal relationship has been documented.

    It seems to me that it makes no sense to vaccinate against a minimal risk, but at a great risk, unless you get money from pharmaceutical companies.

     

    -- Heidi

  •  11-18-2008, 4:17 PM 6226 in reply to 6051

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    Adriennne, are you familiar with the joke about how the secret to success is sincerity, so once you can fake sincerity you've got it made?  Glaxo's reaction must be that sort of sincerity. 

    GlaxoSmithKline produces Paxil, a dangerous drug that damages the brain, and hid the fact that it causes suicides.

    GlaxoSmithKline makes Avandia, a drug that has killed tens of thousands of people.  And they kept pushing it in spite of knowing what was happening.

    GlaxoSmithKline produce Wellbutrin - and hid the fact that it causes suicides.

    Glaxo knows of the risks associated with Gardasil.  If they really cared, they'd have publicised not only what they see as positive about it, but also tell of the risks associated.  Instead, they present it as safe and pressure government officials into making it mandatory.

    I don't trust anything about that company (or any other pharmaceutical firm).  I'm sure they know that they can convince people they care by acting as they did to you.  But that doesn't mean they really care, just that they're good at faking it.

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