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  •  10-09-2008, 8:37 AM 5705 in reply to 5566

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    I think it is important to remember that vaccine trials are only carried out on people with no known health problems.

    It would be very interesting to see what happened to a group with health problems?!!! 

    The real trial does not start until they start the vaccines on everyone. 

    I am so glad I no longer have to make decisions regarding vaccines for my own girls who are now in their 20's. 

    Personally, they would not get this particular one if it was up to me. I feel that better sex education may be just as effective if not more. 

    I know of many people who have been injured  by chemicals including myself. The parents of vaccine damaged children know what their children were like before and after these vaccines but they are being ignored.

    Just look at the  Hannah Polling case! 

    Adrienne. 

  •  10-13-2008, 5:10 AM 5747 in reply to 5705

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    The risks of not vaccinating are essentially zero as abstinence and regular medical checkups can avert any risk of cervical cancer.
  •  10-15-2008, 7:01 PM 5799 in reply to 5705

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    I agree with you, Adrienne: the group with health problems could well show the adverse reactions, and I believe that's the main reason for all previous sad cases with vaccination. I was trying to get this message across to the readers here for quite some time…

    The doctors should not allow vaccination in patients who have current health problems or infections. Some health conditions can be present asymptomatically (including mental health problems) and can not be detected with available methods until developed further but could be triggered if immune system is compromised with vaccination. In my opinion, the doctors are trying to shift responsibilities for vaccine adverse reactions onto the scientists by saying about toxic ingredients and foreign tissues in vaccine formulation, and because they work closely with the public, general public tends to believe to what they say. However, the scientists say that the adverse effects can take place if the patient received vaccination when he/she already had some undetected health problem which is then brought to the surface upon vaccine administration. Many substances around us and inside us can be toxic to the body (including vitamins): the toxic effect depends on their concentration in the body. The body copes with mild toxicity thanks to the natural mechanism called homeostasis which can be disrupted if excessively challenged. I tend to believe to what scientists say otherwise EVERY clinical trials participant would produce adverse reaction and the vaccine would never passed the clinical trials.

     

    So, it looks like the society could benefit from preventive or pre-vaccination health screening programme, but can the government afford this?

     


    Alla Cranham, MSc ABMT,
    Registered Homotoxicologist

    Mercury House
    Northgate
    Nottingham
    NG7 7FN

    Tel +44(0) 845 450 7316
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  •  10-15-2008, 9:16 PM 5804 in reply to 5799

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    Thanks Alla.

    I'm not sure what the government can afford at the moment?!!!

    We seem to have a nation full of people suffering from many neurological type illnesses many of which have soared in the last two decades.

    Autism particularly worryiing as now 1 in 150 in UK. 20 yrs ago it was 1 in 10,000. That is some increase!!!

    Perhaps when they devise a low cost test for mitochodrial dysfunction we may get somewhere!!!

    I don't know what the answer is but I wish I had never had Hep B vaccines!

    Regards,

    Adrienne.

     

     

  •  10-16-2008, 2:36 PM 5817 in reply to 5799

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    Alla,

    Let's take a look at some of your statements:

    Alla Cranham:

    I agree with you, Adrienne: the group with health problems could well show the adverse reactions, and I believe that's the main reason for all previous sad cases with vaccination. I was trying to get this message across to the readers here for quite some time…

     

    1. Could it be that people without health problems are able to detox the toxic waste substances which are part of vaccines better and therefore do not suffer any immediate consequences of vaccinations? 

     

    2. If people with health problems can be harmed by vaccines, is it not so that this shows that vaccines are dangerous? If somebody has health problems, there is a weakened immune system. Because of this, the toxic substances in vaccines cannot be defended against and as a result, the vaccine causes damage. This would show beyond a shadow of a doubt that vaccines are indeed toxic and that it is a logical and moral fallacy to inject healthy and already unhealthy people with such substances. A health promoting substance does neither harm the healthy nor the unhealthy.


    Alla Cranham:

    The doctors should not allow vaccination in patients who have current health problems or infections. Some health conditions can be present asymptomatically (including mental health problems) and can not be detected with available methods until developed further but could be triggered if immune system is compromised with vaccination. In my opinion, the doctors are trying to shift responsibilities for vaccine adverse reactions onto the scientists by saying about toxic ingredients and foreign tissues in vaccine formulation, and because they work closely with the public, general public tends to believe to what they say. However, the scientists say that the adverse effects can take place if the patient received vaccination when he/she already had some undetected health problem which is then brought to the surface upon vaccine administration. Many substances around us and inside us can be toxic to the body (including vitamins): the toxic effect depends on their concentration in the body. The body copes with mild toxicity thanks to the natural mechanism called homeostasis which can be disrupted if excessively challenged. I tend to believe to what scientists say otherwise EVERY clinical trials participant would produce adverse reaction and the vaccine would never passed the clinical trials.


     

    3. What first hand knowledge do you have that vitamines can be toxic?

    4. Contrary to vaccines, vitamines used to be part of our food. These days, our soils are depleted of minerals and vitamines thanks to chemical fertilisers and pesticides which are a courtesy of the same chemical companies which produce such things as vaccines and other allopathic drugs.
    Don't you think that it is possible that the general population is so vitamine and mineral deficient that illnesses like cancer can develop much more easily?

    5. Do you have first hand knowledge that the clinical trials you mention are unbiased, correct, comprehesnive and, as a matter of fact, proof safety? 

    If you do not have first hand knowledge, could it be that your belief as expressed above is nothing but blind faith?

    Dear People,

    Unless we can personally verify and understand or experience the facts behind a claim, we have no evidence whatosever. Every humna being is unique. No scientist in the world can claim that anything is safe just because he has run a trial on a few dozens of people for a veru short period of time.

    What I would do in case a "health authority" or doctor would urge me to get my children vaccinated is the following:

    1. Draft a liability agreement titled Private Acceptance of unlimited liability.

    2. Present this agreement to the doctor (take two witnesses with you) and ask him/her to sign it in his private capacity (not as a doctor) accepting all costs for care and damages to an unlimited amount for any damage caused by any vaccine up to and including the age 60.

    3. Let the two witnesses sign the same document.

    I am pretty sure that no doctor would sign such agreement simply because nobody can know whether the vaccine will be safe for your child. At least, our doctor did not sign it.

    Instead, the doctor will present you with a piece of paper asking you to sign that yo do not wish your child(ren) to be vacinated. I would not sign any such paper as it can and will be used by the government to "prove" that you were acting negligently by refusing advice from a "health professional".

    It all comes down to you personally. If you allow your children to be vaccinated because you believe that it is the right thing to do, it is your choice. However, do not blame doctors and "scientists" if anything goes wrong. Always ask to read the flyer coming with each vaccine before giving consent for your child to be vaccinated. You will be surprised. Ask yourself this: "What do I really know about the safety of the vaccine or the illness which some unknown third party claims the vaccine to be a protection against?"

    Now the usual legal stuff: 

    Nothing in the above is intended to be legal or medical advice in any shape or form. If you need medical advice consult a licensed practitioner. If you need legal advice, consult a solicitor or lawyer.
     

  •  10-16-2008, 5:30 PM 5818 in reply to 5817

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    Brandon - this is really starting to sound like a witch hunt.  Is it just Alla that offends you or is it scientists in general?  I'm not a great believer in vaccinations myself, but luckily don't have children so it's not a decision I need to make on someone else's behalf. 

    As you are so passionate about this subject, would you mind explaining what has motivated you to attack Alla so relentlessly.  In this age of varied opinions I just need to understand why I should listen to you rather than listen to Alla.

    Thanks

    Sue

  •  10-16-2008, 7:47 PM 5819 in reply to 5818

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    Vaccines should be avoided unless there is 100% proof that they are safe. That is not the case with the HPV vaccine.
  •  10-17-2008, 12:04 PM 5822 in reply to 5819

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    Realistically, Richard, what is 100 percent safe on this planet?


    Alla Cranham, MSc ABMT,
    Registered Homotoxicologist

    Mercury House
    Northgate
    Nottingham
    NG7 7FN

    Tel +44(0) 845 450 7316
    Mob +44(0) 77361 47458
    Fax +44(0) 115 9163109
    http://www.in-vivo-health.co.uk

  •  10-17-2008, 7:04 PM 5824 in reply to 5818

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    SueEBE:

    Brandon - this is really starting to sound like a witch hunt.  Is it just Alla that offends you or is it scientists in general?  I'm not a great believer in vaccinations myself, but luckily don't have children so it's not a decision I need to make on someone else's behalf. 

    As you are so passionate about this subject, would you mind explaining what has motivated you to attack Alla so relentlessly.  In this age of varied opinions I just need to understand why I should listen to you rather than listen to Alla.

    Thanks

    Sue

    Hi Sue,

    The first thing I have to say is that you should not believe anybody you do not know or trust and that includes myself.

    The fact is that we all know very little about most of the things in this world. Despite this, there are people who are hell bent trying to convince other people that there is "evidence" for this or that but we are not able to verify and understand this so called "evidence". As a result, only those who have been directly involved in a piece of research can consider the outcome to be evidence but only for themselves. To all those who have no first hand knowledge, it is just hearsay. So, when we accept something as "evidence" without the possibility to very and understand (or have made personal experiences confirming the "evidence"), we are really just acting in blind faith. This does not even take into account any possible bias or unsound motivations of the researcher(s). I believe that this is very important to understand. We can decide whatever we want but we should be honest with ourselves and admit that we really know very little about almost everything.

    Alla has made some very serious claims often subtly disguised as opinions. I don't know whether you are familiar with NLP (Neuro-linguistic-programming). It is extremely powerful to implant a third party opinion into the subconscious of other people who then think that they have arrived at knowledge corresponding to this third party opinion. Another way to manipulate people's opinion is to talk or write in a very "scientific" way for the purpose of appearing as some sort of authority on a subject. It creates feelings of inferiority in others who then surrender a healthy gutt feeling (or intuition) and accept whatever the "authority" says.

    I am not anti-science. I am against politics and economics hi-jacking and manipulating science as is the case with almost every single study that big pharma has let loose on mankind ever since its inception.

    My aim is to make people aware that they should not just follow blind faith. Don't just believe what I am saying here. Trust yourself to make the right decision.

    Brandon
     

  •  10-17-2008, 9:37 PM 5827 in reply to 5824

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    Hi Brandon

    Thanks for the explanation and I now understand where you are coming from.  Yes, I do know about NLP and in fact, walked out of a Christopher Howard 3 day seminar on the first day quite recently entirely due to all the subliminal messages that were being directed at the audience.  It was hard sell and extremely uncomfortable and I won't buy into manipulation of any sort.

    I freely admit to not being medically minded or trained so skim over any scientific speak anyway.  Any posts I reply to are relating to either personal experience or information I've come across.

    Thank you for taking the time to explain.

    Sue

  •  10-18-2008, 2:07 AM 5828 in reply to 5822

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    Alla

    They need to do trials on at least one million animal subjects with zero adverse effects before a vaccination should be tried on even one person.

  •  10-18-2008, 5:06 PM 5831 in reply to 5827

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    Brandon - given what you told me, have you listened to Brian Gerrish?  You might find it interesting if you haven't come across him.  He can be googled.

    Cheers

    Sue

  •  10-20-2008, 1:47 PM 5844 in reply to 5828

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    Looks like the most readers of this blog here are against vaccination, and I am perhaps the only one with different opinion, but not as radical as yours, Brandon. Rather than wasting your energy, anonymously writing long and biased replies to my postings, why don’t you go to your children’s school parent meeting and tell in an open way there about vaccine-killer and genocide programme as it’s the schools where Cervarix vaccination is initiated? It would be good if you could share your experience!

     

    Besides that, if you have first-hand knowledge of this vaccine adverse events you are entitled to report it on FDA MedWatch page: www.fda.gov/medwatch

     

    So, fly the flag and go ahead – you might save the world’s population from genocide!!!

     

    P.S. A single page on the FDA's website can now direct healthcare providers and patients to a wide range of safety information on approved prescription drugs: http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2008/NEW01904.html

     

    P.P.S. : I am not a great believer in the pharmaceutical drugs as I practice natural medicine, but jumping into conclusions before you have sufficient knowledge on the subject does not seem to be sensible to me.

     


    Alla Cranham, MSc ABMT,
    Registered Homotoxicologist

    Mercury House
    Northgate
    Nottingham
    NG7 7FN

    Tel +44(0) 845 450 7316
    Mob +44(0) 77361 47458
    Fax +44(0) 115 9163109
    http://www.in-vivo-health.co.uk

  •  10-21-2008, 12:58 AM 5849 in reply to 5817

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    On 16-10-08 Brandon wrote:

     

    Could it be that people without health problems are able to detox the toxic waste substances which are part of vaccines better and therefore do not suffer any immediate consequences of vaccinations? 

     

    What first hand knowledge do you have that vitamines can be toxic?

     

    Brandon, if you GENUINELY do not know why people may have different rate of detoxification and that vitamins overdoses can be harmful, how come that you dare to offer health advice to other people on this website which follows from your other postings as well?  This can be dangerous or even harmful to those who tend to trust to what you say on this website! One homeopath told her patient who was on steroidal drug therapy after his kidney implantation to stop taking the drug, and he did … and lost his implant. At least this homeopath had an indemnity cover. Do you have the same? May be it is you who are executing genocide programme? Otherwise I can only think of possible personality disorder (which might be linked to some other health problem) and of which you may or may not be aware. And if that’s the case, seeing psychologist a.s.a.p. will only do you good. Sorry if this is not what you may want to hear, but taking an action to resolve the problem may well be in you own interest.

     

     

    All the best.

     


    Alla Cranham, MSc ABMT,
    Registered Homotoxicologist

    Mercury House
    Northgate
    Nottingham
    NG7 7FN

    Tel +44(0) 845 450 7316
    Mob +44(0) 77361 47458
    Fax +44(0) 115 9163109
    http://www.in-vivo-health.co.uk

  •  10-21-2008, 12:40 PM 5854 in reply to 5849

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    For everyone on this forum:

     I haven't been on the site for a while but am shocked at the hostility being aired and directed here.  Well the site is here for people to express different opinions and that what makes it such a great site. No one has a monopoly on what the "truth" is only on what works, doesn't work and what might work for different people in different situations. Different treatments have variable effectiveness levels and side effects and what  has been so apparent to me as a former nurse, health educator, health activist and now someone who has had cancer,is that (conventional)  medicine is not geared or directed enough to the various life styles,  physiology and biochemical make-up of individuals. There is much work to be done. I do feel that "alternative" medical practioners  scale their treatments much more to the varying needs and status's of people who can present so differently with the same underlying pathology. However many people like myself combine conventional and alternative medicine and have a successful outcome by choosing treatments from different modalities.

    Regarding the vaccinations for Cervical Cancer being offered currently to young girls. Having spent years teaching HIV prevention and sex education  in high schools and middle schools my opinion is that self protection, assertiveness and being empowered to control your sexuality is the most important factor in reducing sexually transmitted infections including HPV infection  that can lead to cervical cancer.

    I think that making girls pay the price in a risky vaccination when there are safe and safer alternatives to lower the risk, incidence and death by cervical cancer says much about the sort of society we are living in which drug treatment has priority over education and openess about sex and sexuality.

     Pap smears should be carried out at least once a year on all sexually active women.If caught early cervical cancer is treatable.  Every three years is a joke. All women can and should check their vulva for any signs of lesions or discharge, its a simple examination and doesn't take long. And they  should know how to check a man's penis for signs of genital warts or other infections and have no qualms about asking a (proposed) sexual partner to attend a GUM clinic with them to try and ascertain if there are any problems before intercourse takes place. Why is a vaccine that can have horrific side effects  preferable to this?

     We are brainwashed with this illusion that knowledge or discussion of sex, or the practical sides of a sexual relationship take away the "romance." Quite the opposite is true.

     A colleague of mine once said "would you put food in your mouth without looking at it or smelling it or without knowing its sell by date or if it is fresh" ? So why would you put a penis in your body when the consequences can be just as deadly? And would you buy a car with no history and no MOT? Or buy a house with no survey what so ever? Yet people risk their lives because they will not adopt  a protective attitude when it comes to sex. 

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