Robin,

I am glad to hear people here (or you at least) are against fraudulent science.  I am also strongly against 'bad science', including fraudulent science, but also just badly done or wrongly interpreted science. 

So strongly opposed to this in fact, that I point it out where I see it and ask for evidence when claims are made and none is given.  Any good asdvocate of reason does the same. 

Science is indeed a tool- mankinds most effective tool yet.  Far reaching and applicable to everything. 

Kiwi girl, you mention a Lancet paper demonstrating that h202 is an effective treatment for pneumonia.  Do you know the reference for this?  With any luck this paper will prove beyond doubt that h202 is a sfae and effective treatment for pneumonia.  Lets hope.  Then we can worry about proving that it works for all the other illnesses on that very long list.  maybe we can satrt with altitude sickness (simply because its the funniest).

Harradine .. "We?!! WE?! THERE IS NO WE - except in W-E-I-R-D...!

Since you haven't answered my question about what I deemed to be the most offensive of all your postings that I saw just before going to bed very late last night but wasn't here when I got up, you're not getting any help from me to prove anything except how mute I can be when I want!

You still don't seem to understand that we on this site do not start off by disbelieving anything and ridiculing someone for having used it or repeating someone's story; we listen, then quietly go off and do our own research, or look at the websites suggested. Once again, Harradine, people come on this site because they don't want medical advice... they want holistic advice! And again, if they wanted someone to argue the other side, they would write to a medical website. This is not a debating club, or haven't you and Dr Saji noticed that??

I gave you the date - 1920 - which was two years after the war ended and after having saved many soldier's lives. It's your group's paper, you find it. But hey, don't stop there; research every single topic and every single suggestion, compile a book and come back with your findings. In the meantime we'll happily get back to suggesting and supporting each other in our way.

I said I would treat you as if you were genuine, but judging by your nasty and worthless reply, it was a total waste of time and energy.

We don't need you to act as policeman - or judge or jury - so, following on from Robin's most excellent challenge to you, go away and research your own medical community's papers and, please, take all the time you need ... a lifetime if need be... hopefully...

As with Dr Saji, I'm done and dusted. I've never hit my head against a brick wall, but I'm sure I now know what it feels like..... You're a cuckoo in this nest, my boy, fly away....

I'm new here, to this Forum (but I do receive the WDDTY Newsletters) but NOT new to 35% Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide!!

I own a Yahoo Group called HydrogenPeroxide, amongst several other Natural Health Yahoo Groups.  Hydrogen Peroxide works

WONDERS, for many illnesses! You can take it internally, bathe in it, inhale it up your nose, spray it on your

body, wipe it on your body with a wash rag.  It's an excellent germ killer in your bath room, kitchen, kitchen utensils, cutting

boards, etc...the list goes on and ON for ther uses of Hydrogen Peroxide.  35% MUST be broken down to a 3% solution for

ALL OF THE ABOVE USES !!!...but taken internally, you use 'Drops' of 35%, non diluted.  IF you have emphysema, the only way

to help/reverse that is to have an IV drip with 35% H2o2 and saline solution...and there is an 'amount' of H2o2, but I don't know the

'exact' minute amount.

Hydrogen Peroxide works better than bleach when washing whites or anything that requires bleach when washibng clothes.

Hydrogen Peroxide does Not weaken and ruin material like bleach (a chemical) does!  Hydrogen Peroxide is being used more

by many cities to sanitize their city water instead of using bleach. The list goes on and on.

On another note, just reading thru various posts on various boards here, H doesn't have a clue!  He/She sounds like a clown I have

on my H2o2 group.  He is 'very' smart (the clown in my group), and he is a Chemist...hummm....LOL.  I don't understand WHY

he is there......as he cuts down many things and issues, owe well, life goes on. :)

DJ (North Central Texas) 

Thanks for all this information DJ.  Haradine certainly had a major issue with Hydrogen Peroxide and kept bringing it up time and again on different posts.  He told us he was a scientist.  He didn't want to learn anything, just teach us the error of our ways.  It is quite possible that he actively sought out a site like yours, so wouldn't be surprised if he was your "clown".  A lot of patience is what's needed as, if indeed, it is the same person his belief that he is "right" can't be swayed.  Ego at it's very strongest!! lol

Sue 

Velda

I have read that intravenous vitamin C has been proved effective in some cases of kidney cancer, however it is not something to be tried at home and is contraindicated if the patient has brain metastases. As an alternative therapy it is relatively cheap though, compared to some of the others.

I would urge your mother to see a qualified doctor who specialises in alternative cancer treatments (if she can afford it). Dr Julian Kenyon at the Dove Centre is very knowledgeable. He is likely to be up to date with the latest research and better able to advise you on whether a particular therapy is likely to work, than most of the people who post on here (including Harradine)

Re emotional issues, obviously stress is not good for anyone. But I also take issue with Louise Hay because the concept of someone having somehow 'caused' their illness through negative thinking has brought great distress to many cancer sufferers I have known. Someone with a terminal diagnosis needs support and an action plan based on (dare I say) evidence, not a guilt trip.

I do not think people should excluded from discussions here just because they disagree with a particular 'alternative' philosophy. My field is nutritional therapy and I am deeply sceptical of much orthodox medicine, however it does not follow that I therefore buy the whole alternative package wholesale. I have heard some complete rubbish being spouted on both sides!

BTW I think we should start another thread on the subject of evidence/science/alternative viewpoints. I dont think individual posts asking for help are the right place for a 3 page argument, but it is a very interesting issue and I welcome anyones input.

Velda I wish your mother all the best.