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Question: Using 35% food grade Hydrogen Peroxide orally with other medicinal treatments

Last post 11-16-2009, 7:41 PM by lewic. 35 replies.
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  •  08-23-2009, 5:41 PM 9128 in reply to 9127

    Re: Question: Using 35% food grade Hydrogen Peroxide orally with other medicinal treatments

    Harradine - read Louise Hay's "You Can Heal Your Life" and related books and you will understand where I'm coming from.

    Sue 

  •  08-23-2009, 8:53 PM 9130 in reply to 9125

    Re: Question: Using 35% food grade Hydrogen Peroxide orally with other medicinal treatments

    Harradine,

    I believe emotional trauma can cause cancer...my mum developed ovarian cancer...after she died I found out she had given birth to a daughter and had her adopted straight away because the father was a married man...she never told me or my brother about it...as a result I believe the buried guilt and regret she had probably caused her cancer...it is interesting to note it was cancer of the ovaries,the organs of reproduction.

    I have no proof of my claim but a lot of what I have read,especially Louise Hay's books,point in a similar direction.

    Dr.Bernie Siegel describes his work with people with multiple personalities...he describes how diseases such as heart problems,diabetes and asthma appeared and disappeared according to which personality was dominant at the time...patients' eye colour actually changed from blue to brown!!!

    If thoughts and beliefs can change physiology then emotions can certainly cause illness,including cancer.

    Dr.Masaru Emoto has written numerous books on the effect of thoughts and intention on the structure of water...Hidden Messages in Water is one such book.

    Water is able to record the energy of thoughts and reacts differently to positive and negative thoughts.

    Humans are about 80% water so it seems clear that our thoughts have a massive effect on our health.

    Emotions are felt by the whole body...the brain is just the perceived seat...anyone who has ever been heartbroken will testify the pain is felt primarily in the chest and stomach region...if the emotion is not dealt with it can stay in those organs and create disease in them.

    Good sources of info on this are:

    Bernie Siegel...Love,Medicine and Miracles.

    Candace Peart...Molecules of Emotion

    Louise Hay...You Can Heal Your Life

    Masaru Emoto...The Miracle of Water

    Martin Brofman...Anything Can Be Healed

    Geerd Ryke Hamer...German New Medicine

    Robin


    Robin Allan
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    Natural Health Coach

    http://www.robinallan.com


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    07967-366470
  •  08-23-2009, 10:05 PM 9133 in reply to 9130

    Re: Question: Using 35% food grade Hydrogen Peroxide orally with other medicinal treatments

    Robin - what you said about multiple personalities rang a bell with me.  From a graphological point of reference.  If a timid person is hypnotised and told that they are Napoleon for instance, their handwriting will take on the appearance of their interpretation of Napoleon's character.  This might not actually resemble Napoleon's writing at all, but it will be their perception of him.  Interesting eh?  The belief system changes the writing.  The power of the mind is a wonderful thing, when used correctly.

    Sue 

  •  08-24-2009, 1:07 PM 9135 in reply to 9133

    Re: Question: Using 35% food grade Hydrogen Peroxide orally with other medicinal treatments

    Hi Sue

    I take your point(s), but I would think that the people who come on this site are already thinking this way. I just truly believe that H. doesn't want to learn any of this. As a scientist he should know that all we are is Energy, therefore it stands to reason that the energy vibration of negativity (or positivity) would have an effect on our beings. I cannot see him being genuine - if that were the case, he would say "Oh yes? Hmmm that's interesting, I've never heard that before.. I'll do some research.."etc. But no, that's not what he's about. Every question is couched in a challenge. OK, maybe if you keep plugging away he will start to listen, learn and research - but that's only if he wants to change.

    So far he hasn't shown a whit of wanting to. I will salute your patience - and your methods (and learn a great big lesson) if your way works. I certainly hope you are right....

  •  08-24-2009, 2:44 PM 9139 in reply to 9135

    Re: Question: Using 35% food grade Hydrogen Peroxide orally with other medicinal treatments

    P.S. This is what H. wrote on the Gangrene site: Iodine cleans cuts, but I wouldn't inhale it or drink it.

    Now on this site he says "drinking a little of it won't do you any harm". Backpeddling, learning something, trying to be placating? - or beginning to realise that we do things differently, and live?! It's unbelievable really, when deadly chemicals are put in our water and we are expected to drink it or swim in it and not have it negatively affect us. I suppose swimmers disproportionately getting asthma symptoms is nothing to do with the fumes they inhale from their many hours in chlorinated water? Check out the monocholine site here.....

  •  08-24-2009, 2:50 PM 9140 in reply to 9139

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    P.P.S. - I mean METHAcholine. Sorry, having a blonde moment...
  •  08-24-2009, 3:17 PM 9141 in reply to 9140

    Re: Question: Using 35% food grade Hydrogen Peroxide orally with other medicinal treatments

    Hi Heidi

    People coming on here don't necessarily already know about emotional issues etc.  Some time ago someone came on who had back problems (Robin might remember this as, bless him, he backed me up)  - I mentioned emotional healing and she cut me off at the knees - calling it psycho babble and mumbo jumbo and got really offended - never heard from her again.  I never assume - they could have come on for any reason - might just have found this site by accident (though I don't really believe in accidents!!)

    Harradine is on his own journey - he can only bother us if we let him.  I've said what I've had to say and have let it go.  I follow my intuition and reply when I feel I need to.  Maybe I will again, maybe I won't - I'll see how I feel.

    Take care

    Sue 

  •  08-24-2009, 4:38 PM 9142 in reply to 9141

    Re: Question: Using 35% food grade Hydrogen Peroxide orally with other medicinal treatments

    Thank you Sue; got it - and got it. I'm sounding arrogant; firing from the hip isn't always helpful... every suggestion and philosophy is useful - but here I will defend myself and say - as long as it's coming from people who are genuinely interested in alternative therapies, which is why this site has been formed.
    Then again... I suppose if someone is violently opposed to one's point of view, it is a good opportunity to look at the topic and see if it still stands up under scrutiny/attack. A good reinforcement, one might say, but still, a lot of time and energy has gone into exchanging points of view with people who appear to be on this site just to make us wrong or stand us up to ridicule. As I've observed, I guess the lesson there is how much it affects us, and why. Even Robin has been stung into being mocking with Harradine - almost baiting him - but I get the feeling that he's not as emotionally involved in it as I ... good lesson there too.

    All I can say was that while I thought H. had gone off to play with his own - er on his own - I really enjoyed logging on with him not around. My biggest lesson is obviously to feel like that even now he's back. Ohmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

     

  •  08-24-2009, 7:35 PM 9146 in reply to 9073

    Re: Question: Using 35% food grade Hydrogen Peroxide orally with other medicinal treatments

    Hi, please go to www.Gerson.org or www.hacres.com.  Both of these organizations, through their therapy have been curing just about every cancer for years (Gerson for over 50 years!). In fact, I believe they have even incorporated the H2O2 therapy into their regular therapy. They have 2 awesome DVD's out, called "Dying to Have Known" and "The Gerson Miracle". It sounds like you don't have alot of time if the medical community has written your mom off. If she can't travel far, you can order the DVD that shows you how to do the Gerson therapy at home. Many people DO cure themselves at home, while feeling great and going about their daily business instead of dealing with the crippling effects of chemo and radiation. You will LOVE these websites and will begin to have hope again! Just read the testimonials (especially on hacres.com). I have been doing the H2O2 therapy for the Epstein Barr virus and anemia. I'd been having high fevers every 4 days, and not only have my fevers stopped, but I haven't had this much energy in years! I only take 10 drops in 8 oz of distilled water once in the morning and that seems to be the magic number for me. They recommend if you have a more serious disease, to do it 3X per day. Best of luck to you! 
  •  08-24-2009, 9:36 PM 9148 in reply to 9146

    Re: Question: Using 35% food grade Hydrogen Peroxide orally with other medicinal treatments

    Hurray!! A new voice - and one who has got us back on track as to why this topic was set up in the first place! I am going to these sites now, and will add them to my health file for future reference if needed. Thank you.
  •  08-25-2009, 1:20 AM 9154 in reply to 9148

    Re: Question: Using 35% food grade Hydrogen Peroxide orally with other medicinal treatments

    Hi Heidi - you have a very refreshing attitude.  Glad we understand each other! lol

    Keep on truckin'!

    Sue 

  •  08-25-2009, 12:58 PM 9163 in reply to 9154

    Re: Question: Using 35% food grade Hydrogen Peroxide orally with other medicinal treatments

    Harradine

    I woke up this morning and you popped into my head (a nightmare.!!) and so this negative exchange has to stop. For once, whether you deserve it or not, I am going to reply directly to your challenges about what h.p. can do. You are a trained researcher; I don't know why you couldn't find this stuff out for yourself .. and I haven't even gone into YouTube to listen to people's personal stories.

    What I can state is this: this must all be true and people must live (over the last 90 years!!), or use of h.p. internally would have been shut down long ago and people imprisoned. Obviously this is not the case - and you can see below that a stupid woman, who took no notice of the very explicit warnings, drank undiluted h.p. and survived intact. You can't say that about the vast majority of medical drugs. I did read of two children who died, but they got hold of industrial h.p. and accidents do happen - with all chemicals.

    Despite your cornered wild animal stance with us, I am going to believe for 5 minutes that you stay on this site because, despite yourself - for why else would you want to stay where your attitude is so disliked - you are looking for something else in your life. Perhaps you secretly realise that harmful drugs' days are numbered as word gets out. Of course, we don't know in what area you do your work, but what we are trying to do on this site is to find ways to bring balance (health) back to the body with ingredients/methods that do not have debilitating side effects and/or kill hundreds of thousands of people world wide per year.

    After you read this, I hope you will accept (even if you don't like it) that h.p. is used internally, with great success, and you will stop fighting bare facts. So, put your researcher's cap on and read below. I will know by your response if the effort was entirely wasted or not and - please - no Yes Buts. Been there. Not interested...... I've emboldened bits I think are very pertinent....

    "Dr. Farr has shown that hydrogen peroxide stimulates enzyme systems throughout the body. This triggers an increase in the metabolic rate, causes small arteries to dilate and increase blood flow, enhances the body's distribution and consumption of oxygen and raises body temperature (Proceedings of the International Conference on Bio-Oxidative Medicine 1989, 1990, 1991).

    We are just beginning to learn exactly how FG-H2O2 works. It was reported to work as far back as 1920. The English medical journal, Lancet, then reported that intravenous infusion was used successfully to treat pneumonia in the epidemic following World War I. In the 1940s Father Richard Willhelm, the pioneer in promoting peroxide use, reported on the compound being used extensively to treat everything from bacterial-related mental illness to skin disease and polio.

    While most conditions respond remarkably to oral ingestion, emphysema is one condition in which intravenous infusion can be a godsend. Conventional medicine offers little help for emphysema. There is no cure. The dispute has been going on for decades, and considering the attitude of our medical community, it will continue for many more decades to come.

    35% Food Grade: This is used in the production of foods like cheese, eggs, and whey-containing products. It is also sprayed on the foil lining of aseptic packages containing fruit juices and milk products. THIS IS THE ONLY GRADE RECOMMENDED FOR INTERNAL USE... Recently, a 26 month old female swallowed one mouthful of 35% FG-H2O2. She immediately began vomiting, followed by fainting and respiratory arrest. Fortunately, she was under emergency room care and although she experienced erosion and bleeding of the stomach and esophagus, she survived the incident. When she was re-examined 12 days later, the areas involved had healed.

    It is required for the production of thyroid hormone and sexual hormones. (Mol Cell Endocrinol 86;46(2): 149-154) (Steroids 82;40(5):5690579). It stimulates the production of interferon (J Immunol 85;134(4):24492455). It dilates blood vessels in the heart and brain (Am J Physiol 86;250 (5 pt 2): H815-821 and (2 pt 2):H157-162). It improves glucose utilisation in diabetics (Proceedings of the IBOM Conference 1989, 1990, 1991).

    The following is only a partial listing of conditions in which H202 therapy has been used successfully. (Many of these conditions are serious, if not life-threatening. As always, I would highly recommend seeking the advice and guidance of a doctor experienced in the use of these techniques.) "The latter is useless, of course, because a doctor would never agree (Heidi's note)"

    Allergies Headaches
    Altitude Sickness Herpes Simplex
    Alzheimer's Herpes Zoster
    Anemia HIV Infection
    Arrhythmia Influenza
    Asthma Insect Bites
    Bacterial Infections Liver Cirrhosis
    Bronchitis Lupus Erythematosis
    Cancer Multiple Sclerosis
    Candida Parasitic Infections
    Cardiovascular Disease Parkinsonism
    Cerebral Vascular Disease Periodontal Disease
    Chronic Pain Prostatitis
    Diabetes Type 11 Rheumatoid Arthritis
    Diabetic Gangrene Shingles
    Diabetic Retinopahty Sinusitis
    Digestion Problems Sore Throat
    Epstein-Barr Infection Ulcers
    Emphysema Viral Infections
    Food Allergies Warts
    Fungal Infections Yeast Infections
    Gingivitis"

  •  08-26-2009, 12:35 AM 9196 in reply to 9163

    Re: Question: Using 35% food grade Hydrogen Peroxide orally with other medicinal treatments

    Ok, here's a challenge.  I will create another anonymous profile here and just talk made up nonsense.  I will sell made up alternative treatments and offer made up advice.  £500 to the person who can identify me as the charlatan poster.

    My treatments will sound credible (here at least).  Lets see who can tell the difference between deliberately made up nonsense and..nonsense.

    Even better, lets see how many people I can make use my made up advice. How will you tell the difference?  All I need are testimonies and that just requires the ability to type.

    You don't like science?  I will speak your language and show you just how easy it is to trick people who have no concept of objective evidence.

    Haven't you realised that this has already been going on and that you've already fallen for it? You can't do this to rational people- (they always ask for evidence.). When will you?

     

  •  08-26-2009, 9:37 AM 9202 in reply to 9196

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    Harradine,

    I think you will find most on this site are not against science...just corrupt science,fraudulent science,"tobacco science".

    Unfortunately most medical drugs seem to be backed up by such science.

    Science is like a hammer... just a tool.

    A hammer can be used to build an orphanage for kids or to smash someones skull in.

    I have a challenge for you...see how long you can go without posting on this site.

    Robin


    Robin Allan
    Chek Practitioner
    Natural Health Coach

    http://www.robinallan.com


    robin_allan@hotmail.com

    07967-366470
  •  08-26-2009, 9:57 AM 9203 in reply to 9196

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    The Lancet is the world's leading general medical journal and specialty journals...."As a leading independent journal of global medicine, The Lancet is committed to advancing health for all people around the world. We publish research aimed at changing medical practice and adding informed analysis and opinion to scientific and policy debates. The aim of this site is to bring together international scientific and public health experts. The network will synthesise evidence, conduct new analyses, devise programmatic recommendations, and formulate proposals for action in international health and development."

    Harradine; tell me I'm not hallucinating and that you sent another email before this one which accused me of getting information from disreputable sources. Didn't you read that the Lancet published findings of successful treatment? I Googled the journal and the above is what they say about themselves. I would have thought you'd therefore consider the Lancet a believable and reputable journal. But no - apparently not even that can sway you from your mission to refute and refuse, deny and denigrate and ultimately shut down this site if you can - setting yourself up as saviour of all those who think they will find useful information, and also accusing the McTaggarts of making a profit from fraud.

    Now tell me where that long, first answer has gone...

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