Hi Sue

I can understand the confusion, there is often a disconnect between evidence-based science and what is seen and heard in the media (TV, magazines, radio, online forums etc.).

I won't comment on alkaline diets as I am unaware of any evidence for these.

As mentioned previously, being overweight is a major contributory cause of Type 2 Diabetes and of course to become overweight one must over a long period eat more (food) than use up (exercise). This is the connection regarding the cause.  Once somebody has Diabetes then as you rightly say diet does have a lot to do with staying healthy.

But sugar is not the cause of Diabetes. For example, if it were as simple as that wouldn’t everyone develop diabetes after childhood? There are other more complex interactions going on which are still to a large extent unknown. Also, not all GPs are trained in dietetics or nutritional science but perhaps find advising patients to avoid sugar the easiest way to explain healthy eating.

TV Chefs are also generally not trained in nutrition, but I would agree that monounsaturated fats provided by margarine are a “healthier” alternative to butter which is pure saturated fat. This is a fundamentally widely accepted fact.

I hope this has clarified a few things. If you are interested to know more, the Diabetes UK is an excellent, very trustworthy source of information.

All the best,

Judy

Hi Blobby 

On the contrary. By reading peer reviewed journals, you would get a balanced viewpoint by many researchers as opposed to one author whom you have to pay £10 for the privilege to read. If people read the book as advised by you it is in the author's interests... hence why "CHEK lifestyle coaches" such as yourself recommend it. Perhaps there’s an “agreement” between the CHEK institute and the author – just a thought. I think I’ll stick with peer-reviewed journals, but thanks for the advice.

It would be interesting to see your proof substantiating the claim that charities are just the PR arm of drug companies, but I suspect you don't have any.

Are you actually suggesting that if people follow exactly what you prescribe then they would be cured of diabetes, heart disease and cancer? If so then perhaps you have found the elusive cure for chronic disease... Eureka?!

Judy

Ps. http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/nutrabalance.html

Hi Judy,

I recommend Chek's book because I have been trained by him,respect him and know from experience the info in it is sound and works...be nice to earn a few quid by doing so but 'fraid it hasn't happened yet.

For proof charities are linked to drug companies just follow the money!!

The prevention/cure of chronic disease is not elusive at all...it is really very simple...eat the foods nature provided for us...the real question is "why haven't you been taught it?"

Thanks for the Quackwatch link...it is a great website for finding a healing modality that actually works because if you look carefully you will see that just about everyone on it has actually done something good in the health community...which is precisely why they are villified by Stephen Barrett.

I urge you to be very wary of and to question your "Graduate Dietitian" education, which if you look closely, will have been funded by the processed food industry.

If you really want to learn about nutrition go and talk to an Organic farmer.

Yours in Health

Robin

 

 

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Hi Judy

 Thanks for the explanatory reply.  Just a couple more questions if you don't mind.

I understand how overweight people can become diabetic - however, how about the underweight and normal range, if overweight is the major contributory factor?

The one thing I was very surprised about was your comment that margarine is healthier than butter, mainly considering it is a processed food.  I remember seeing a demonstration when a tub of margarine and a pat of butter were left uncovered outside.  The butter melted and was devoured by insects.  However the margarine remained exactly the same and the insects didn't touch it.  It looked like the equivalent of plastic. How can this be healthier for the human body?  Surely it's just a case of a balanced diet and not too much butter?  Anything in excess isn't to be recommended.

Thanks

Sue 

By complex gene-environment interactions which are explained helpfully by an interplay of risk factors. Please do see

http://www.diabetes.org.uk/Guide-to-diabetes/Introduction-to-diabetes/Causes_and_Risk_Factors

http://www.diabetes.org.uk/Guide-to-diabetes/Introduction-to-diabetes/Causes_and_Risk_Factors

I don't want to enter a debate about processed vs. organic foods. Its the monounsaturated fats that are healthier than saturated fats, but to be more detailed, a healthy diet is one where the fat source is mainly monounsaturated fat with only a small amount of saturated fat (easily obtainable by eating animal products). Absolutely correct that anything in excess is not to be recommended.

Signing off on this debate now!!

Thanks, Judy

Thanks Judy.  I understand that you no longer wish to continue with this discussion.

 I looked into the two websites you recommended with interest and went directly to the section on foods.  I then saw that the Diabetic UK is sponsored by Mullerlight and Canderel which unfortunately seems to back up what Robin was saying about following the money.  I have to admit that I lost interest as soon as I saw that diet fizzy drinks were "okay".  The reason I lost immediate interest was I went to the dentist a few years back and he told me that the acid they use in the dental profession which tastes foul is actually the same stuff which is put into fizzy drinks - with loads of additives to make it taste palatable.

Anyhow, thank you for your input.

Sue 

I meant 2 links rather than 2 websites as they are the same.

All the best

Sue 

Stopp eating gluten and milkproducts !!! Lokk up GFCF diet.

And all diet sodas and other things with apertame etc.

And read this link:

http://www.naturalnews.com/026519_blood_sugar_blood_sugar.html

Judy, there are are 2 kinds of people.  The ones that are spending all their time working against other ideas, other people and methods.  Then again there are these people that spend all their time finding a solution to problems.  Choose which side you want to take.  I know which one I take.

The discussion you and Blobby had can only find a solution in heaven.  Why, because there are always people looking for a way to find themselves to be right.  How do you feel that you are right?  Either through your heart, or through experiments, or by having the same ideas as the majority of what people are thinking.  BUT WHO DECIDES WHAT IS RIGHT OR WRONG?  It is not the government, it is not your parents, it is not God (because God wants us to be able to choose for ourselves) and it is not the majority of the people.  It is only YOU, that can decide what is wrong and right.  And then again, is your decision taken from a spiritual, scientific, human or professional standpoint?  The decision about what is right today might be different another day, when you are in a different mood, or when a new scientist give you new input, or if you see a miracle or if you realize that you do not need to be right.

By the way, Judy, if you haven't noticed yet, this page is about What Doctors Did Not Tell You.  That is, we try to get a different view than our "health experts" are giving us.  Why?  Because they are not curing us.  Why?  Because they cannot.  Why?  Because medicin never cures, it only moves the problem to another part of the body.  And because the only one that can cure ME is MYSELF.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect."
- Mark Twain

 

Ok, back to the subject!  Diabetes and how to get well?

There are a couple of approaches to take.  Either you become cured, symptom free or stay balanced with the problem.  It is best if you right now decide which approach you want to take.

1.  Cured: Clean your internal systems of problems using various kinds of detoxes.  I personally recommend www.DrClark.net (www.drclark.com for products) and her "The Cure for all diseases" where you get detailed information of how to clean kidneys, liver, bowels and parasites etc.

2.  Symptom free: Go vegan and eat raw food.  In www.rawfor30days.com you could see that the "patients" had no symptoms after the 30 day diet.  But can you sure to become cured?  Do you want to risk your health status by going back to candy, ice-cream and soft drinks?  No, probably not.

3.  Balanced: Continue using insulin and be dependent of doctors that monitor your health.

Note1.  This is probably the best method seen over a long period, but also one of the more costly.  Note2.  Probably the most time consuming, but you will definetely loose weight for instance.  Note3.  In the long run you might not be able to do what you want in all perspectives of life.  I.e. depending on insulin every day.

More on tips to stay healthy:

Listen to your body.  This is probably the most important thing to do.  We become allergic because we have stopped listening to our bodies.

I am working at a company where we are creating a device that will make it easier for diabetic people to monitor their own health (the device is not ready for launch yet so I cannot tell you more).  The biologist working with the food nutritions told me exactly what Jaytack mentioned in 8332... that to reduce the effects of the glucose from fruits, candies, ice-cream and pure sugar we SHOULD eat fats and proteins at the same time.  I think the level is about 30 percent protein of the meal to heavily reduce the glucose and sugar level effects on the body. 

http://www.carolinesutherland.com/ is also a big fan of the protein-rich diet and tries to avoid the 4 "dangerous" substances, inflammatory foods are coffee, chocolate, sugar and corn.

I also agree once again with Jaytack that Magnesium is important for your health.  Look at all detoxes out there on the shelves.  They contain ridiculous amounts of Magnesium.  I.e. 400 mg per pill.  Compare it with what you get from your daily foods (males require daily about 400mg and females 300mg): http://www.magnesium.com/w3/data-bank/index.php?mgw=224

Recreate your thoughts.  The unconscious part of us are driving our body 95% of the time.  We are only conscious about 5% of our time.  Read more from Bruce Lipton, "Biology of Belief".

 

A final word on the problem with Diabetes.  Some health issues and problems DO NOT EXIST in different cultures of the world.  Why?  Because dieting is mainly made up of more organic foods because non-organic foods have not been presented.  So how come people have lost the way of the traditions?  Perhaps because following traditions are more time consuming, more expensive (would you buy non-organic food that is more expensive than organic??), and opposed by the western medical system (have you ever heard of a doctor suggesting a herb, yoga, go to another alternative terapist for their patients??).

With love and compassion - Jesper -

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Hi all,

 

  Couple of quick comments :

(i) check out Insulin Dependent Diabetes Trust - a UK truly independent organisation of diabetics for diabetics, set up originally to support Type 1 diabetics who'd had major problems with so-called 'human' insulin (actually most of what's on the 'market' is genetically modified from a virus - lovely!), but now also a campaigning, educational & support body, with non-mainstream views;

 

(ii) whilst I agree with a lot of what Robin says, and don't particularly wish (or have time) to comment on it, I think it is highly dangerous to recommend eating fruit for a Type 1 hypo. Sugar is a 'poison', yes, but very quickly absorbed simple carbo's are the only thing to eat/drink to avoid passing into a coma when experiencing a hypo. Fruit juice or honey, perhaps grapes at a push..just about maybe ok..but fruit is generally bound up with fibre and the absorption of the fruit sugars is simply not fast enough, as well as taking longer to actually eat in the first place, where time is in the element. I speak from personal experience, and would love not to have to force down those disgusting glucose tablets/Lucozade when hypo, but if it's that or going into a coma/fitting, being resuscitated in hospital, and the huge (in a number of cases brain damage & fatalities) toll that the whole episode takes on the body, I know what I choose each time. It's not a healthy ideal solution to hypos, there isn't one. It's crisis management.