Hi. 

My mum has metastatised kidney cancer and has basically been written off by the medical community.  We are trying anything that may potentially help and have just started using oral Hydrogen Peroxide (25 drops per 6-8 ounces of ionized water) 3 times daily.  My mum is also taking penicillin and steroids as well as some other alternative therapies (maitake mushroom extract, flax oil and green tea extract (all of which supposedly have great cancer fighting qualities)).  Can anyone tell me whether this mix of medicines and Hydrogen peroxide is safe and whether they compliment or fight each other.

Thank you

Hi Velda

Go on to the Gangrene site and read the furor that ingesting food grade h.p. has produced! Why the penicillin and steroids? No point in taking antibiotics until there is an infection, despite them saying it prevents infection, is my opinion, as they can do as much harm as the good professed.

The best thing is to YouTube h.p. and find the sites where they tell you how to make it up and what to avoid doing. There's plenty of help for you there. You could also go to: www.ibaglobalhealing (BodyTalk), click on practitioner and country, and find one nearest you - or arrange for a distance healing with someone at instructor level. BT takes the guessing out of what's the priority and what's going on in general in the body.

Good luck. 

P.S.
As long as there are antibiotics and steroids being used, buy Chlorella from the health shop and detox the body in a very gentle but effective way to give it the maximum chance to recover.

Hi Velda

I am so sorry to hear about your mum.  I am coming from a slightly different angle in an effort to help.  Has your mum looked at the emotional reasons behind her cancer?  It can relate to deep hurts which have been buried in the subconscious for many years.  I would suggest you look up Louise Hay and her book "You Can Heal Your Life".  She herself is a cancer survivor and looks at the mental causes for physical illness and the metaphysical way to overcome them.

I wish you and your mother all the very best.

Sue 

Hiya

Thank you very much for the advice.  I know that I have a cheek, but do you have the Gangrene web address.....it's just that when I type "Gangrene" into the browser bar I receive a whole host of sites.

 

Thank you again

 

Velda

Hi Velda,

Here it is:

http://community.wddty.com/forums/1/9097/ShowThread.aspx

Sounds like you are using the google browser and not the one on the WDDTY page.

Robin

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Sorry Velda - I meant the WDDTY Gangrene site. Just click on Forums and look for it in the current topics or on the right hand side.
Heidi 

I wish your mum all the best.  I doubt her cancer was due to 'emotional reasons' though.  But with her family behind her, a genuine belief in her ability to recover (she may yet), and lots of love and support, with luck she will recover. 

 

 

Harradine; you're back (sigh) and absolutely unbelievable! It is clear that you have learnt nothing while off contemplating your navel. You only EVER write to get your digs in while couching your words in insincere platitudes. Why do you doubt that cancer can be caused by negative emotional reasons but then state that with positive emotional support and genuine belief, not to mention luck, she could recover?!

It's because you don't believe for a minute that either is possible. What are you DOING on this site...  you really should find your own medical sandpit to play in... please.

I will remind you again; this site was set up for those who disbelieve or refute what doctors (and scientists) are telling us and we want to explore other avenues. The idea is to offer suggestions or anecdotes from information picked up or experiences lived. You offer nothing but condemnation and ridicule, whether subtle or aggressively open. It is not wanted or appreciated. In a past life, I can see you in the front row of the Spanish Inquisition.. Recant or die. Fortunately in this lifetime I, at least (and unless you've got the hide and mind of a rhinoceros you will have noted that others feel the same) can invite you to just bgr off.

That's not very nice Kiwigirl.  Obviously you are not accustomed to interacting with those of opinion different to your own.  That we disagree is not an issue for me.  If someone sees the world very differently from me, I invite them to describe what they are seeing and why they see things that way. Not tell them to bugr off. Or perhaps you would prefer a world where everyone agrees with you and accepts what you say as fact without question? Well, the the world is not like that thankfully and hopefully never will be. 

Emotional strength is of course essential in dealing with a life changing disease like cancer.  But to say emotional weakness then causes cancer is just a non sequter.  

For example: It takes great emotional strength to recover from a broken back (or any serious health problem). But rarely does emotional weakness actually break a spine.  See my point? 

I have no interest in condemnation or ridicule.  The fact that you interpret my posts that way is telling.  You see my asking for evidence of health claims as condemnation and ridicule?   Don't you think that its healthy to be skeptical of health claims until there is at least some evidence that they are effective and safe? 

As I say Kiwigirl, it seems that you are prejudiced against anything I say.  I could completely agree with you and you would still find fault in that.

Quite simple: Does h202 treat alzheimers disease?  Yes or no?  If yes, why yes?  If no, why is it being sold as a treatment?  That's black and white.   Its not about arguments or points of view, condemnation or ridicule.  Its about reality.  What is the reality?  Does it work or not?  It is either yes or no. Which is it?

Hi Harradine

I was referring to emotional "issues" not "weakness".   If it was emotional weakness that created cancers etc. most of us would be affected at some stage or another.  Often the people with the strongest characters, ones that will battle through absolutely everything, gets struck with illnesses because they have buried their hurts and anger so deep.  So deep in fact, that they often can't even remember the cause - just a feeling of unease.

This is a survival issue - some people will have heart attacks because they have closed themselves off due to pain that is unbearable and they don't want to experience again.  Or maybe they have been taught within their upbringing that emotions "aren't nice".  eg. big boys don't cry!

I will cite an example.  Some years ago I had a friend who was the product of her mother being raped by her father.  She suffered various forms of abuse throughout her childhood.  When she was about 19 or 20 years old, she moved country with her boyfriend and set up home.  One day she had bad period pains and stayed at home.  That day a gang of youths broke in in order to rob them.  They found my friend and she was gang raped.  She never even told her mother, but buried this deep within her and got stronger and stronger and more promiscuous over the years - her self-hate was that great.  I met her when she was in her late 30's.  At that time she was trying very hard to clear all her emotional issues and was training as a kinesiologist.  She was still very troubled though such a strong personality and the life and soul of the party - that no-one would have thought she had a care in the world.  When she was 43 she contracted cancer of the rectum (the area of her physical abuse) and it spread to her liver (seat of anger and primitive emotions) as well as other areas and she died at the age of 44.

This is what I'm talking about when I say that illness is emotionally based.  I AM NOT saying that people who are ill are weak - far from it.  They are usually very, very strong or else they would have cried out the emotion at the time.

I hope I have made myself and my viewpoint abundantly clear.

Thanks

Sue 

Sue, Sue, Sue,  WE understand what you were saying; but H. is an entirely different sub- species. You will never get through to him or have him understand where we're coming from. Trying is a complete waste of space and energy. He just doesn't get it, and doesn't want to. He wants replies in the yes/no because that's what he'll start his make-wrong argument with. We should ask him "Does chemo cure cancer?" and see what kind of a yes/no answer we get! The only true Yes answer that can possibly come from his side is: Do drugs create debilitating side effects? We simply have to stop responding to him; pretend he's not there. Bless him and release him; Go with Chemicals - but before that he can check out the site about Methocholine for a really good example of Why Not To Take Drugs (or go to a doctor).

I wonder if he knows that I drink iodine yet... 

Hi Sue.

I think I understood what you mean.  But what I don't understand is the link you draw between emotional issues as a cause of cancer.  Are you saying that emotional trauma or issues can actually cause cancer?  Also, I have never heard of the liver being referred to as a seat of anger and primitive emotions.  Surely if anger and primitive emotions have a 'seat' or 'substrate', that is the brain, no?

I understand your points I'm just completely unfamilar with your premises.

Thanks.  

KiwiGal:

Sue, Sue, Sue,  WE understand what you were saying; but H. is an entirely different sub- species. You will never get through to him or have him understand where we're coming from. Trying is a complete waste of space and energy. He just doesn't get it, and doesn't want to. He wants replies in the yes/no because that's what he'll start his make-wrong argument with. We should ask him "Does chemo cure cancer?" and see what kind of a yes/no answer we get! The only true Yes answer that can possibly come from his side is: Do drugs create debilitating side effects? We simply have to stop responding to him; pretend he's not there. Bless him and release him; Go with Chemicals - but before that he can check out the site about Methocholine for a really good example of Why Not To Take Drugs (or go to a doctor).

I wonder if he knows that I drink iodine yet... 

Does chemotherpay cure cancer?  No. 

Do drugs cause debilitating side effects.  Yes, some do

Is h202 an effective treatment for alzheimers disease?   Has it ever been used successfully as such by anyone?  This is also a yes or no answer. In reality, it eithers works or it doesn't.   

Drinking a little bit of iodine won't do you much harm.   In fact we need it in the diet in trace amounts.  What does drinking it do for you?

Hi Heidi

I replied to Harradine mainly to clear up the issue so that it is abundantly clear to other people posting on here and who read the posts what the emotional issue really is.  A lot of people aren't aware of the correlation and whether Harradine misunderstood me, or chose to put another slant on what I said, is actually irrelevant to me.  I posted in order to make my viewpoint clear to everyone else.  I'm not looking for his approval if that's what you thought.  I am more concerned about the people that post on here getting the help and information they need, and then sifting through to see what they would be happy trying.

He slammed my comment about emotional issues on another post instead of just letting the person make their own mind up and see if what I said struck home.  Instead, from his narrow perspective, he put a slant on the subject designed to make them feel foolish if they gave me any credence.  His tunnel vision could just condemn someone to death one of these days.  Why doesn't he just put his viewpoint across rather than rubbishing everyone elses?  Not a question - just despair and I'm afraid my boredom threshold has been reached now!

I have known many people survive life-threatening illnesses over the years by dealing with the emotions that have brought the dis-ease to their body.  The people that survived had enormous strength and courage, they never gave up and most of them refused to have any negative people around them (including their doctors) - they knew that these negative people could literally be the death of them, because their egos and need to be right would undermine and compromise an already physically challenged person.   You have to be absolutely singleminded in order to get well again and you don't need cynical, fear based people chipping away at your beliefs and resolve.

I abhor the bully boy tactics of ego-based people.  The possibility that someone could actually get better by choosing an alternative route is secondary to their wish that everything be done "their" way - even if the person dies as a result.  Then it would be blamed on the disease anyway!!  

I am well aware that my beliefs mean that a large number of people will consider I come from another planet (which is a high possibility anyway!! lol) and that is fine.  I have no problem with that at all.  The doctors and scientists of this world have their quota of willing sick people - so look after them - don't keep chasing the people who you've lost because you've let them down or have no answers/cures for - let them find another way that suits them better.  It's meant to be a free society after all!!  

I also don't go onto scientific or medical sites rubbishing their belief systems - I expect the same respect.  WE ARE NOT KILLING PEOPLE ON HERE!!  If someone posts a question and they think it's a load of rubbish then they just won't come back - end of discussion!!  They will then no doubt go and see their doctor again.

Sue