From the conclusions of Swiss, Russian, and German scientific studies, here are 10 good reasons to ditch your microwave oven for good. 

1)Continually eating food processed from a microwave oven causes long term -permanent- brain damage by 'shorting out'electrical impulses in the brain [depolarizing or de-magnetizing the brain tissue]. 
2)The human body cannot metabolize [break down] the unknown by-products created in microwaved food. 
3)Male and female hormone production is shut down and/or altered by continually eating microwaved foods. 
4)The effects of microwaved food by-products are residual [long term, permanent] within the human body. 
5)Minerals, vitamins, and other nutrients of all microwaved food is reduced or altered so that the human body gets little or no benefit, or the human body absorbs altered compounds that cannot be broken down. 
6)The minerals in vegetables are altered into cancerous free radicals when cooked in microwave ovens. 
7)Microwaved foods cause stomach and intestinal cancerous growths [tumors]. This may explain the rapidly increasing rate of colon cancer in America. 
8)The prolonged eating of microwaved foods causes cancerous cells to increase in human blood. 
9)Continual ingestion of microwaved foods causes immune system deficiencies through lymph gland and blood serum alterations. 
10)Eating microwaved food causes loss of memory, concentration, emotional instability, and a decrease of intelligence.

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richard ponsonby:

From the conclusions of Swiss, Russian, and German scientific studies, here are 10 good reasons to ditch your microwave oven for good. 

1)Continually eating food processed from a microwave oven causes long term -permanent- brain damage by 'shorting out'electrical impulses in the brain [depolarizing or de-magnetizing the brain tissue]. 
2)The human body cannot metabolize [break down] the unknown by-products created in microwaved food. 
3)Male and female hormone production is shut down and/or altered by continually eating microwaved foods. 
4)The effects of microwaved food by-products are residual [long term, permanent] within the human body. 
5)Minerals, vitamins, and other nutrients of all microwaved food is reduced or altered so that the human body gets little or no benefit, or the human body absorbs altered compounds that cannot be broken down. 
6)The minerals in vegetables are altered into cancerous free radicals when cooked in microwave ovens. 
7)Microwaved foods cause stomach and intestinal cancerous growths [tumors]. This may explain the rapidly increasing rate of colon cancer in America. 
8)The prolonged eating of microwaved foods causes cancerous cells to increase in human blood. 
9)Continual ingestion of microwaved foods causes immune system deficiencies through lymph gland and blood serum alterations. 
10)Eating microwaved food causes loss of memory, concentration, emotional instability, and a decrease of intelligence.

 http://www.profoundarticles.com/articledetail.php?artid=65281&catid=720

 

 

Richard you are making clear statments of fact.  This means you have must have evidence. I know people think that it a dirty word on this website, but it cannot be stressed enough how important evidence is.  You clearly think so since you have mentioned some evidence from varioius studies.  So, would you be so kind as to tell us which studies from Switzerland, Russia and Germany have convinced you of those 10 facts?  I want to have a look at your claims myself before I through out my microwave becuase I have to say, some of it sounds pretty dubious (shorting out the brain?  Depolarizing the brain?  You do know that every brain cell in your brain is constantly being depolarized all the time don't you?  You do know what deplorized actually means don't you?  Is so you would be rasing an eyebrow to this and wanting to learn more, as I do.  So what were the studies so we can all have a look, or at least those who care about those small details such as fact, evidence and reality.

 

Harradine,

Google Hans Hertel or go to www.mercola where you will find his evidence.

He did research that showed that eating microwaved food caused gross chromasomal abnormalities among other things.

When he tried to publish his research he was gagged by a Swiss microwave manufacturer.

Microwaves are used by researchers to weaken the cell wall prior to injecting substances into cells and a patient died when given blood that was warmed in a microwave.

That should concern you.

Still not convinced?

Just microwave scrambled egg.....it comes out of the microwave looking and tasting like rubber for gods sake!!

I threw my microwave out years ago because I value my health and am not prepared to wait for the medical profession to eventually get round to proving to THEIR satisfaction the dangers of microwaved food when my own eyes and common sense tell me it is POISON.

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Sounds perfectly reasonably, if you don't want a microwave, dont have one!

I'm not actually disputing the claims being made.  I haven't looked at the evidence cited in the studies above because I haven't seen what the studies are yet that were mentioned. 

My point is not about the safety of dangers of microwaves.  It is about not making claims like "studies show...XYZ" and then leaving that hainging in the air.  Which studies?  What do they show?  These things are important.  Anyone can say "studies show.." as if that actually means something or has some authority.  When people read that sort of thing, it can mislead them if in fact, no studies whatsover show, or those that do are incredible bad (bad science is dead easy to do, good science extremely difficult), or any number of other possibilities.

No one has to wait around for anyone to be convinced about microwaves or anything else for that matter to make a personal choice.  But if they wish to speak with authority on a subject, make statements of fact that can be verified or falsified, or generaly make claims and advise others, then they very much do need to wait until they have evidence enough to open their mouths.

Those that take the time to do this are called source of information, those that don't are sources of misinformation (like this website). 

Obviously as inviduals we operate with a precautionary principle (well, some people do, not everyone!).  Even if there is a suggestion that something is bad for us, we will avoid it if we can live without it.  Conversely even if their is a suggestions than something is good for us, we will give it a try provided it is available.  But this can be exploited by people who either want to sell you something by telling you it is good for you when the evidence is flimsy (such as high dose vitamins for anything, antidepressants for moderate depression) or non existent, or worse: made up (see the shop on this site). 

Add to this the confusion that manufacturers will and do play down the risks of their products, and it is all one great mess!

But some people are interested in what is real and what is not.  Being able to tell the difference, assess claims that X causes Y, etc.  They will not make a claim unless they have evidence for it and if they see a claim without evidence they will challenge it, nomatter who is making the claim or what they represent. There are so many such claims on this site it is hard to know where to start!

Harradine,

You have made it clear you think this site is garbage and you have accused Lynn MacTaggart of being a fraud.

Why then do you spend so much time posting messages on it?

Why not just let us get on with deluding ourselves and spend your valuable time with allopathic treatments?

You must be the most posted user by far.

The amount of time you spend reading and replying to all those posts must be massive.

How do you have time to work?

Or is this actually your job?

Are you paid by a drug company or such like to disagree with almost everyone on this forum?

I would never dream of wasting my time posting counter arguements on a medical industry version of this site,if such a thing existed.

No doubt you will claim you are trying to save us from our delusions, but it seems to me you are just angry, at people who are not Doctors, using language and words that the medical profession have claimed ownership of.

Either that or a homeopath ran over your cat... 

                                                                   

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Back to microwave ovens.

Go to www.mercola.com and you can find an experiment done by a teenage girl as part of

her science project.

She took 2 plants and watered 1 with normal water and the other with microwaved water.

The plant that received microwaved water shrivelled and died in a week.

The fresh water plant thrived.

This was not a double blind,randomised,controlled study of the type so favoured by yourself as absolute proof but it is an experiment you can try for yourself.

Try it and see.

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There are some things in this world that just seem to make sense to some of us. I am sure a micro wave changes the molecular structure of our food and I for one do not need proof.  Cooking food normally, heating of any kind changes it and it can lose some of its nutrients in the process. 

 Thank goodness some of us are blessed with common sense and avoid what could be deemed as harmful most of the time.
 

My attention was drawn to this site by Lynne McTaggart’s book of the same name.  A member of my family had read it and it had left them in a real state of confusion about the medication they were taking.  Real fear.  So I had a look at the book and read around a bit and was totally livid that someone with no medical training, a journalist, could be making a living by spreading such downright garbage aimed at people who take such advice on trust and scaring them away from medical treatment.

 

I trained as a neuropharmacologist, but I do not work in science any more.   But having trained as a scientist, it does inflame me to see misinformation spread, all with the pretence of science behind it.  Its called pseudoscience and its dangerous.  It threatens the public understanding of science (which is absent on this site) and that in turn threatens science itself.  A reckless, damaging choice of career for a journalist.

 

I’m no fan at all of Big Pharma precisely because they can do bad science too.  But at least there is a system of scrutiny and regulation that they have to try to get around, scientist do not take what they say on trust.  This doesn’t exist in the “alternative” world  where people don’t criticise those methods from within their own ranks.  Why not?

 

I know not everyone can take the time to get down to the hard data on every claim than is made.  There is just so much advice these days, some of it good and some of it simply rotten.  Not everyone can have a PhD or be able to interpret scientific studies, so they have to rely on those who claim authority.  Lynne McTaggart claims authority, take responsibility for other peoples’ health, but gives bad, made up pseudoscientific advice.  I’m not sure whether she truly believes in such non-ideas as the “zero point field”, or whether she, like many others knows fine well they are nonsense but has chosen to go down that road.  But either way, specific claims are being made and science’s name is being used, so I can’t see what’s wrong with challenging that.  Its what scientists do ALL the time- challenge each other.  Attack each others ideas and test them to destruction.  I can’t see how anyone could have a problem with that, but it doesn’t go down well here.

 

I suppose I wish to represent the sceptical, rational community on this site who appear to be seriously misrepresented.  Shocking when you consider that this site actually claims authority on matters of health.  My cat is fine.

Blobby,

Let's both do that experiment.  I'm well up for that.  Test a claim with an experiment and stand by the outcome.  God yes, I am all about that.

Ok, lets set some conditions.  We need to choose a species of plant.  Any suggestions?  We both need to use the same one.

Of course, we cannot demonstrate this outcome directly on this site.  But I for one will stand by the principles I support and if the experiment does show a difference, then I will stand by that.  The very idea is a central tenet of science. 

I must point out the obvious.  Two plants are not enough.  That just does not have enough power to rule out chance.  We would have to use at least 6 in each group (6 with water, 6 with microwaved water).

What a great idea.  Ok, lets do this.  Is anyone else interested in joining in?

I am impressed.  Suggesting sensible experiment is good, rational thinking.  Even if this proves impractical for you, I will be doing this myself, since I had never thought of it before. 

Harradine,

Great idea.

I will look at some plants and tell you the ones I will use.

I will have to use the neighbours microwave as I don't have one.

Glad your cat is ok and good to see you have a sense of humour.

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Blobbly,

Now we learn just how awkward real science can be, even on this amateur level.

I agree to use the same species, and I will let you chose that, (hopefully one that can be grown indoors)

But there are some obvious conditions.  When one micowaves water its temperature rasies.  Now, to be fair, it would not be right to use differerent temperatured waters.  So we will have to let both sets of water reach the same temperature.  Room temperature would do in my book (Do you disagree?). Something to keep in mind. 

 I hope my sense of humour will always shine through.  Experiment.  You really have me interested now.  I am so all about public experiment that I can either stand or fall by (that is one of the definitions of science), so lets do this.

Even better, we should introduce a form of blinding to this experiment....any ideas?  I'm still not sure how I would do that, but it would add so much weight to the outcome it is worth doing.

 Let's see.  Ok, we both spend some time creating water and micowaved water.  We give these samples to a trsuted friend who has no interest in the outcome.They don't know either because we will use a code.  And only after the experiment is over will we find it. 

 That would make this a blind experiment.  It can never be a good experiment.  Because both of us will be watching what is happening and that is bad science.  But it is a start.

Harradine,

I will use tomato plants.

I will use 6...3 to be watered with tap water and 3 with microwaved water.

I havent got the inclination to use codes so we dont know which water it is etc

I suggest microwaving to about tea temp and letting it cool to room temp.

I plan to use about half a tea cup a day on each plant.

 

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Sounds good, although there are some things to point out up front.

 1).  There are many problems with the design of this experiment.  It is not properly controlled, (i.e., there are obvious differences between the two treatments groups other than the fact that water has been microwaved).

2).  Even if we can see a difference (and I predicts we wont), this does not support the point of this thread.  Drinking plants food probably wouldn't do me a lot of good, for example.

3).  Its just a bit of fun, but could be interesting if nothing else.

 

Happy growing!

Check my health website for a lot of referenced material on microwaves (you may need to pull down the "menu").

www.jrussellshealth.org  - russells@embarqmail.com 

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 I invite you to an open public forum to defend this poduct.  You say where (anywhere), you say when.  If you cannot show that it works, then stop selling it.

 This applies to any of the products in your shop.  Just a simple demonstration. 

 Sound fair?  Give us all a demonstration?  They all work, don't they? 

Lets prove it!