Important to point out that the views above are not supported by any authority working in the field of autism and are in fact in direct contradiction to the views held by experts in the field and all available evidence.

Lynne you've been asked many times now to provide some sort of decent evidence for even a fraction of the claims you've made here, but still you refuse.  That's very irresponsible to say the least.  Particulalry so since you are providing false health advise that is in direct disagreement with that or professional health workers (unlike yourself)

If you are really prepared to take on the responsibility for other peoples' health, then don't you think you should be able to discuss evidence to support why people should beleive what you say and ignore what professional health workers are saying?

Harradine,

Lynne doesn't seem to be promoting these health safe-guards as a cure or a replacement for behavioral treatment. Higher levels of heavy metals and digestive disorders in Autistic children are widely documented by medical journals (and I assume this is not up for debate.)  The substances she's referring to are natural, health enhancing supplements that would not contradict established Autism treatment guidelines.

Furthermore, we all know that current medical pediatric care is extremely conservative and slow to adapt to procedures that are not surgical or pharmaceutical-based so it's no surprise that the protocols discussed above have not yet been adopted by the AMA. Remember, every generation assumes they have the last word on medical treatments and there was a time (not so long ago) that physicians didn't find it necessary to wash their hands before surgery.

Regardless of the oppinion of the established medical authority, these treatments have certainly helped thousands of parents (myself included) who have known about them for years. As a small example, I don't need to read Lynn's resume to know that EFA's promote clarity and concentration in my toddler-I can see it with my own eyes.

Your tone sounds more like a personal vendetta and makes me question your motives (as well as your credentials.)

To Harradine:

I'm new to this blog so please forgive me for not knowing its history.  You said,"Lynne you've been asked many times now to provide some sort of decent evidence for even a fraction of the claims you've made here..."

Well, how about this?

"Supplement with glutathione and products that boost its uptake, which helps with mercury detox. Children exposed to thimerosal have lower cellular levels of glutathione (NeuroToxicology, 2005; 26: 1–8). "

That looks like a reference from a reputable journal to me!  Perhaps Lynn should cite more references, but you could easily look them up as well instead of bashing her viewpoints.  Just use this link and get started: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez/

All the suggestions on this topic can easily be researched and looked up for people who want evidence like yourself.

Im inclined to agree.

I am not a scientist or a professional but am well researched on this subject since I believe mercury contact as a dental nurse and Hep B vaccine had a serious long term effect on my health.

What Lynn is saying does seem to be in line with what I have recently learnt.

Thank you.

Adrienne.

My homeopath suggest taking a specific remedy before having a vaccination which may reduce any adverse reactions

My child has autism.

His Glutathione SNP is missing...he like many other kids cannot detox heavy metals.

Thimerasol (Mercury) is one of the most toxic substances on the planet.

It affects your immune system.

He suffered viruse after virus , infections etc... from 7 months.

We know from the MMR insert and booklet MMR should NOT be given to a child with an immune problem.

Bt we were given it anyway,

He has Autism and bowel problems following the MMR.

Thankfully My GP is supportive of biomedical interventions and is treating him for Heavy metal poisoning and supporting me in treating his gut.

He is coming back to me....

Joanne

Thanks for the references.  I have had a look.  It is an in vitro sudy using cultured cell lines which provides some preliminary evidence for a relationshyip between glutathione and mercury.

This I have no problem with at all.  Of course, when references are provided and one knows how to criticise research evidence properly (for example, Dr Rosenberg, you will no dounbt have some criticisms of your own about the study you cite having a) read it and b) using an academic title which suggests you have training in such things.

But on a more fundamental level, the link between vaccinations (MMR in particular, which has never contained mercury!) and autism is now discredited but yet the title still reads "MMR and Mercury detox".  

for someone browsing the internet who does not have the required understanding of research evidence to be able to assess it critically and fully, this is misleading.  It is not presented as lay opinion, which is it, but as bone fide health advice, which is definitely is not.  This mispresentation is misldeading and that is why I am posting.

Dr Rosenberg, of course we can and do research these subjects for ourselves.  That is precisely why such misleading interpretations and presentations of the evidence such as those presented here should encourage us to speak out.

Regards

H

Apologise to Dr Rosenberg, the above post ws writen by me addressed to he or she!

I have just joined the WDDTY website.  I am a homeopath and there are several ways of detoxing the person's system using homeopathic remedies.  We use remedies to help prepare the body for immunizations as well as bowel nosodes.  Remember it is an holistic therapy.

As a mother of a baby who has had severe reactions to DPT, he was not given MMR on the doctor's advice as the vaccine is incubated in egg.  At the time, my son was on a very strict diet to help aid his body to recover as much as it could do, due to the adverse effects of the vaccine.  He has been treated with homeopathy ever since he was 8 months old, and it is for this reason that I began to train as a homeopath!  

I am dentist with some experience to chronic diseases due to amalgam fillings.

To my mind, mercury intoxication is opportune to normal intoxication-reports because it is not bound to the dose-effect-rules.

Let´s say, the "thinner" the mercury is, for example as mercury-vapor,

the more it can trespass the brain-blood-barrier aiming for the middle brain (thalamus, hypothalamus and hypophysis).

Persons with higher susceptibility do not care about intoxication-tableaus or limits due to research of an evidence-based-medicine. Patients with chronic mercury-intoxication are - let´s say - more intoxicated in their souls than in their body-tissues

and because of the very small amounts of mercury the medical proof of evidence is - at least by means of normal medical diagnostics - very difficult.

In vedic medicine mercury is figuratively called "the sperm of the earth" - let us take this picture for better understanding: It is not the amount of sperms that enables an impregnation, but it needs only one sperm for new life. Also, it is not only the amount of mercury to be focused.

You may answer directly to that statement. Regards.

Ok well, Elef maybe somone could answer to that "statement" if even a part of it made any sense.

You are a dentist who clearly knows nothing about the blood brain barrier.  The rest is just gibberish.

The "sperm of the earth".  Why not debate the issue properly instead of making us wonder if you are serious and wrong or just a fool?

My son was born with disabilities. His innoculations were delayed until age two, at which time I was told it was a legal requirement in order for him to be admitted to a preschool program. Now I know this is untrue. However  too late to save my son. He was innoculated with the MMR. Wihin hours he was screaming from what I now know was the brain injury he was receiving. Less than 24 hours later he was convulsing and lived out his life with hundreds of seizures a day. He could no longer sit up, roll over, crawl, run across the kitche in his walker to get to  the computor keys or the piano, hold a spoon or cup or feed himself. He was also now deaf.Yes the brain damage was so severe he was made deaf.

Ironically the preschool in which he was enrolled and which had demanded proof of my son's innoculations,  had a  fast growing number, a cluster of children enrolled who were innoculated at about the same time. The difference being they were given their MMR at the earlier dates which I believe start at 3 months.( this was 2 years before, rememebr my son was two when his damge was done. I mention this because the time span of observable damage was at least two years.). The other children  in my son's preschool were described  by their parents as having birth apgar scores  of 9 and 10 on the apgar  scale, and family photo albums show engaged happy children making eye contact before their vaccinations:after the vaccines? Only their vacant stares looked back from the family photos. Autism and other spectrum labels were attached to them. In no case were the mother's or father's observations of the onset of injury  after the MMR acknowledged by professionals.  Instead   a few years  later one brave  family took on a lawsuit.  Patrick (first name only) vs  doctors, the   Canadian labratory  (which seemed  to  have  connections to the governing party) and  the Ministiry of Health Canada was  I believe  also cited. (Their  was  tremendous  legal representation in the courtroom. It must have cost millions to fight  the little seizuring Patrick, one of the loveliest children I have ever seen.)

The courtcase? It almost didn't get started. The judge  had to order the company executives in contempt of court  if the serum batch  samples  (  which were required by law to be kept) were not "found" A funny thing happened. After long delays, this threat made the serum samples magically appear: lost became found in roughly  the same  number of hours the judge had imposed for contempt charges to be laid. The serum provided in Canada  was a foregin owned patent of a more cheaply made product. The vaccine  was determined to be toxic.  ( to further illustrate the twists and turns and intrique amongst corporations and governmant. this same company was  I also believe, involved in purchasing blood from  an American state  whose  (now world famous) governor made inmate blood available for sale.) It was illegal in Canada for blood donors to receive payment for blood donations but apparantly not to buy blood from paid inmates., via this private Canadian  laboratory . I'd be curious about political donations this firm may have made( I say this because I believe I read something confirming this in a Canadian newspaper regarding the tainted blood scandal). In fact millions of dollars in compensation claims for Hepatitis have been paid out in our tainted blood  scandal involving this same company). More strikes against  vaccine "health" to our Canadian children if you ask me! Buy cheap and privatize laboratories which then give donations to political parties.

The vaccine court case was attended by mothers. We were tired. Most hadn't slept in years , kept awake nights by the screams of our brain injured children. Patrick's sweet tired family  lived in a downstairs apartment and had  to carry  a lovely and quickly  growing taller, and heavier, young son and his wheelchair up and down  the stairs to street level.

The transcript of the case is a veritable history of the MMR vaccine debate citing research from world wide sources. Intrigue and deception. It would make an amazing movie, along the lines of Erin Brokovitch. Patrickf with his pale perfect complexion and shining eyes, and his family deserve some recompense. They got none from the laboratory.  None from the courts. Despite proof of  the toxicity of the vaccine!

The courts  did recommend a Canadian registry for vaccine damned children, saying I believe, that a society which protects children with national health  vaccines must be prepared to help  families like Patrick's so that they would not have to undertake an arduous legal claim for the financial help to raise their son. (At the time Canadians could not engage in a class action suit. If there had been that option tPatrick's family would have been joined by thousands like myself.) Now however class action suits are possible and I have heard of a cluster of parents in western Canada who are preparing  a claim.

About that Canadian National registry? I haven't heard of  a parent who has even found their way onto the registry.  The second recommendation( made by the lawyers for the family)  was that parents be given information  about vaccine risks at their baby's wellness checkup so that they could make an informed decision about presenting their child for vaccination. I think we would agree that would be something like oh, informed consent! However the response from a government agency at the proceedings was that this would unduly scare parents and also increase the number of  well baby doctor's visits thereby increasing health costs. Seems  the "moms'" would choose to go home and talk it over with the "dads" and other family members and then book a specific appointment  for the innoculation, thereby necessitating  two billable office visits and increasing costs. Then let's dispaly pamphlets in the office for parents to inform themselves, the lawyers for the family said. Not to be - however phamlets could be stored in a desk and provided only when a parent requested a pamphlet (about a topic and a risk they weren't aware of and apparantly were to be kept ignorant of.)

Because I am afraid of big business and medicne is big business  I have not included the name o the family, or of the labaoratory  however a search of court records in Canada of a Case heard in Ontarion regarding vaccine damage and a Burlinton city boy in the late 1980's,(about 1989 or 1990?) represented by a Burlington Ontario law firm, and covered in The Hamilton Spectator, The Toronto Star and The Globe and Mail  should identify the last name of Patrick's family if someone would indeed like to read a transcript that will make you weep, it even includes information about SID's and shaken baby syndrome cases  which were later attributed to vaccines because of similarity of symptoms.

As for my own son. He lived bravely for 19 years. His robust childhood taken away and pitiful  stomache illness  and seizures wracking his body daily. And I can pin the date down exactly, pin the minute down  exactly, when I held him in my arms and presented him to the doctor who innoculated him. I did not have the blessing of informed consent. I do not believe my doctor was informed. I know the rest of the story however and I do know there is no data base or research which includes my son's very real experince of vaccine damage.

I would just like to add that there is HOPE, which is something everyone seems to forget. My practice is based MOSTLY on treating and rehabilitating children damaged by vaccines. The most effective therapies are homoeopathic and craniosacral therapies. I have had children labelled autistic revert to normal behaviours and development. The practice of vaccinating children is barbaric - in fact, I believe it is overtly Satanic. The Allopathic System KNOWS if they can get those shots in they paralyze immune functioning and get 'cash cows' for their drug-peddling GP pushers. Wake up people, they do not have any rights to continue with this practice!!! Take a stand and say NO, over my dead body. I believe there are FOUR companies in London now, devoted to helping people get OUT of hospital when they WANT to leave!!! Great Ormond Street Children's Hospital has it's own COURT, in place to prevent their paediatric cash cows from leaving at the request of 'irresponsible' parents who want to let their children die at home in peace!!! Where is it all going to stop?

...I make no apologies for repeating what I have just said in the previous 'MMR' blogg on here, as I am still hoping for some convincing evidence for the validity of vaccines......

" I have been trying my utmost to find credible evidence, that vaccinations are widely effective.

 The so called 'proof' I have been given by the relevant health departments/experts doesn't fulfill most peoples idea of such.Can anybody give me reliable, unbiased results of any REAL trials that have been done with a population ....half vaccinated and half not...and then compared the results?

How many contracted the disease who were vaccinated....and how many who weren't....

  A simple experiment within the REAL world...but not one that anyone seems to have carried out...unless you know differently?

The efficacy information available is the drug company's own statistics and they are not from simple, 'real world' trials...only  supposition of efficacy based on technical 'immune cell' responses within the body.Their own advice is against vaccinating anyone with any kind of compromised immune system as it could be detrimental.

  As you can imagine, this covers a huge chunk of the general public.....and the very ones who are most susceptable, by definition!!

 The others.. presumambly, have a strong enough immune system to fight off the infection and therefore don't require a substance which may even compromise that immunity?

What a Bizarre kind of world we live in....."money, money, money"

David.

The American neurosurgeon Dr Russell Blaylock has convincing evidence of the dangers of vaccination. type his name  into a search engine and decide for yourself.

I have sent a copy of one of Dr B.'s articles, and the latest WDDTY article, to the Suffolk Director of Public Health. He has simply ignored all my requests for his comments on this issue, except to thank me for my "keen interest" and to tell me that he supports vaccination.

With arrogance like this towards the public, it can only be a matter of time before the whole rotten system of conventional medicine falls. This is a  system which ensures compliance by paying doctors an average of  over £100,000 p.a. for a five-day week, and it's therefore not surprising that so few will risk losing all that income and their position among the great and the good.

That's not really arrogance though John.  If you present information from WDDTY to a healthcare prfoessional they will not take it seriously because of the very obvious agenda of this site, its many very obvious factual areas, its misleading and misinforming protrayal of medical evidence and its encouragment of conspriacist views.

that is fine for a bit of fun surfing the web, but it just isn't how to present an argument if you want to be taken seriously by anyone of reason who understands the issues at hand and has looked at the evidence themselves.  The site is aimed at people who have not done any one of things and who will take what it says on trust.

The Suffolk Director no doubt has read your letter and put it straight in the bin, rolling his eyes and thinking "God, another one who has fallen for the claptrap on the internet about vaccines.  One born every minute.  Now, back to work".

Thats not arrogance, its how seriously arguments against vaccination are taken.

Harradine people who read this blog and WDDTY do so because they are concerned about health since, in spite of all the resources, 'advances'(!) etc. in medicine, more people are suffering ill health than ever before. WDDTY presents evidence from both conventional and alternative professions and it is for the reader to decide for themselves.  WDDTY do promote alternatives due to the failure of conventional medicine and offers advice about safer, successful alternatives.

With regard to vaccines, since you promote them so vigorously, one assumes you have fully researched the subject, so can you;

1. Explain how they are supposed to work

2. Why are so many are injured from vaccines

3. Why do vaccinated still contract diseases they are vaccinated against.  

i.e. Why have there been epidemics in fully vaccinated children in different parts of the world

4. Why do we now have different strains of diseases that should have been            prevented by vaccines

5. What is the prevalence of diseases in the unvaccinated

6. Why are so  many conventional doctors (and vets) now concerned about safety of vaccines

7. Are they promoted for our health or profit i.e. few years ago cervical cancer vaccine was not marketed because 'commercial returns are not high enough'

8. Convince us that they work, do not cause long term damage, and are safe!!!

Apart from the fact that vaccination has literally eradicated diseases, and the fact that everyone you are likely to meet has been vaccinated and alive and well, what poitn are you making?

If you seriously think that people are suffering from ill health more now than ever before then you are simply stupid.  Lets got back 500, 100 or ewven 50 years and have a look at that statement?  God almighty.

This site, and the accompanying book, is a load of old hogwash.  It cites science when it suits, simulataneously denying science and its methods.  It plays ion the fact that people are ill and medicine is not infallable.  Well done.

It does not say anything that doctor and scientists dont already say amongst themselves, and try to do something about.  It create fear and promotes nonsense alternatives.  It supports nonsense and conspriacist views.

If you have fallen for it, then go ahead and follow its advice as you are free to do.  

Joanna, apply your cynicism to the claims of alternative health people too.  Don't beleive what drug companies say, or homeopaths, or anyone.  

Treat EVERY claim as false until you have evidence to say otherwise.  Its all a bit one sided on this site.  My gosh, I would dasy exactly the same thing to someone who blindly beleives the claims of a drug manufacters.  They, also, would be a fool

Harradine,

Perhaps we'd be more inclined to accept your arguments if you relied on spell check. "blindly beleives?" With grammar like that you couldn't cut it at a 6th grade spelling bee.

Fantastic!

Harradine you appear so angry and in such a cycle of fear it is no wonder you believe in vaccines. I can almost feel your anger bashing the keys! You are obviously bored or curious otherwise you wouldn't keep adding your negative comments!

Harradine even the Lancet admits that the biggest impact on health in the 20th century was due to improved living conditions,  -not drugs or vaccines. if you care to study graphs of infectious diseases you will find that they were declining with improved living conditions long before introduction of vaccines.

If you seriously believe people are healthier today you must be living in cloud cuckoo land.

Having researched health issues for over 20 years I am fully aware which methods are best and they are not the products of the petro-chemical industry. You are entitled to your beliefs about health but you cannot ignore the millions that benefit from Homeopathy and other alternative therapies unless of course you can prove they are  ALL anecdotal!!

And why haven't you answered my simple questions about vaccines. My guess is because you can't?!!!

PS Just heard the pneumonia vaccine is creating new strains of pneumonia so drug companies going to develop new vaccines for new strains - and so this profitable cycle continues

1.  Vaccines work by interacting with our immune system and stimulating it to produce antibodies against infections that we predict we may be exposure to, but want to avoid the full symptoms out our bodies having to fight the infections themselves, which can carry enormous risks (or kills us).  When a pathogen enters the body, the immune system reacts to the presence the of foreign biological material in several ways.  Antibodies bind to the antigen and neutralize it.  For some infections this is barely noticed by us.  Others are capable of overwhelming our immune systems or inflicting damage in the process.

Vaccines are a neutralized form the pathogen, so they are similar enough for our immune system to produce antibodies that will work against the real disease should we be infected.  But not close enough to actually make us suffer from the disease itself.  When we are vaccinated, are immune system produces cells capable of producing antibodies against that infection in the future.  So, basically, they work by preparing our immune system against specific infections.

2.  Compared to the numbers receiving vaccination, adverse reactions are rare.  Hey are real, they exists and they can be serious.  But they are rare.  In reality though, vaccinations tend to work so well that in a fully vaccinated population you will see more adverse reactions to the actual vaccine that you will see with the disease being vaccinated against.  

3. In some people the vaccine does not trigger as strong an immune reaction as others (we are all different).  These people will not have the same protection against the infection as others.  In that case, they very much depend on as many people being vaccinated as possible, which limits the spread of a disease throughout the population.

4.  Disease strains occur through mutation of the virus in question.  If a strain exists which is sufficiently different from the strain used to generate the vaccine, then the antibodies’ made will not recognise that strain and so immunity will not be there.  The faster the mutating virus, the more of a problem this is in developing a useful vaccine (e.g. HIV)

5.  Would you care to elaborate in which disease you had in mind?  

6.  This simply is not the case.  The overwhelming (really very overwhelming) face of expert medical and scientific opinion supports the principle of vaccination as one of the most important healthcare interventions that exists. It would be very hard to find conventional doctors or vets who do not use vaccination regularly, or who are themselves vaccinated.  (Do you know of ANY?)

7.  Drug companies do what they do for profit.  If they produce a vaccine that is effective and safe, but for which there is no real “market” they probably wont manufacture it (since no one will buy it, e.g., NHS, etc).  

8.  Sadly, there is a small group of people who have been frightened by the recent MMR scare, journalists who pray on such fears, alternative health practitioners who do the same, who are genuinely afraid of vaccines.  This just highlights how important it is that people understand why vaccination is important in the first place.  

But, to use a tool of anecdotal evidence (which I find quite lame but I am told here is quite good enough as evidence) I and everyone I know have been vaccinated against multiple illnesses with no adverse reaction.  There is no evidence for long term damage for any of the vaccines used today.  Which vaccine are you taking about?  

Again, I appreciate from the posts I read here that there is a general feeling that health and wellbeing have never been so low, that this is largely sue to modern medicine and an abandonment of “natural” living, modern technologies effects on us, etc.  This is strange since you really don’t have to look too far into the past to see how life expectancy has increased very rapidly in this part of the world.  Or, are we happier on the whole?  Who knows, that’s a different question.  But we are healthier and living much longer.  Much of this is to do with the increased availability of food for everyone, clean water and sanitation.  But also modern medicine.  Many people are alive today who wouldn’t have been in the past thanks to vaccinations against TB, diphtheria, smallpox, etc  As well as other interventions.

I appreciate however, that this website is aimed squarely at people who have already made their mind up that science is a bad thing, medicine is a bad thing (even though they are probably all vaccinated and will go to hospital if they need to).  But that is a lifestyle choice rather than a reflection or reality.  Likewise there are people who believe in creationism,  astrology, and other such things

I mean, Not being funny, but have a long, serious and honest look at the products and books of Lynne McTaggart.  They are, without doubt, pseudoscience.

Sarah, Hello.

My comments are not negative.  They may be in strong disagreement with the points raised on this site.  But that is not a negative view point.  It is an opposing one.

As in all cases of medicine, I do not class vaccines together as one entity.  If the evidence shows that one vaccine is effective and safe, then I support it and not before.  If the evidence shows that another is ineffective and harmful, then I don't.  

But the important difference between that approach and the one adopted by the authors of this site is that one is based on evidence and the other on bias.  I have no a prior support for either outcome.  I have no interest in seeing a drug come to market that is not effects or safe, and nor do I wish to see one withheld because of unfounded fears.  My opinion is based only on what the evidence says.

Comstrast that with the obvious a prior bias prevalent here and in similar forums that ALL medicine are inherently harmful, that ALl modern medicine is uncecessary, that ALL vaccines are inneffective, etc, etc and you will see where the negative opinion actually resides.

I believe that this thread has been abandonned because nobody can bear the lies that Harradine spreads any longer.

Harradine, you lament the same trash over and over and over and over again and most people here understand that vaccinations are not only extremely harmful but simply lethal.

You just repeat the same mantric lies all the time which are the government lies.

Here a quote from Joseph Goebbels, a truely evil man:

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Another way of brainwashing people is the so called "Delphi Technique".

(see here: http://www.eagleforum.org/educate/1998/nov98/focus.html)

You are so exposed, so, carry on with your lies and I tell you why: You push people to really do their research and oh boy, that backfires on you big time. People really should read as many threads as possible on this website to see what Harradine has to say. It is amazing.

Always remember people: Our own experience is the best evidence we have. Harradine tries to brainwash us into believing that just because an apple is a round fruit all round fruits are apples.