Trouble and Rife

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harradine — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 17:48:04 GMT

Bryan

There are many channels where a serious research proposal could find funding. A lack of studies on pubmed doesn't mean that studies have not been done- just that either they really haven't been, or were not of high enough quality to be published.

Human cancer trials are incredibly expensive and obviously one need ethical approval and volunteers. Its really not just about money, its about having a treatment with enough credible data to begin with to justfiy withholding proven treatments from cancer patients to attempt it. One unpublished study in 16 people would not constitute anyway near enough evidence to begin with.

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Brandon — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:28:09 GMT

Harradine,

What do you mean by "...proven treatments..."??? Is it not cynical to call allopathic treatments which ultimately kill the cancer sufferer "proven"?

Should I ever be diagnosed with cancer, the last thing I would do is go put more toxins into my body like chemothearpy or radiation. It strikes me as unbelievably insane to destroy many of the healthy cells in a cancer patient with the result of shut ting down the immune system completely through therapies which have their origins in nazi germany concentration camps.

Rife and Ozone treatments will do just fine.

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richard ponsonby — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 23:11:36 GMT

Bryan

I commend you for advocating this test a test of the Rife mechanism.

i would tread cautiously. You are endangering the billions of unearned profits that Big Pharma accrues through the cancer industry each year.

Remember Milbank Johnson and what happened to him. The stakes are much higher now.

If you can get one of the Rife machines, you might discretely offer the use of it to cancer patients on a one to one basis.

Advertising it, or pushing for pubic trials would almost certainly be your demise.

Please be careful.

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Graham Ewing — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:21:28 GMT

Slowly but inexorably the pressure to make cost savings will ensure that governments start to examine all possible ways to evaluate new technologies. This government has initiated the Invention for Innovation programmes and a range of other measures. The costs just keep rising so they have no option but to find better ways of working and/or reducing costs.

You just have to look at the statistics surrounding conventional medicine to see that healthcare is not based upon health. The NHS is not actually a health service based upon stimulating processes of wellness but instead is an illness service (McTaggart, WDDTY). Accordingly is it really such a surprise that there could be some researchers who have understood, albeit empirically, that the body's function is regulated by a mechanism which maintains health and stability?

Who knows, perhaps some researchers have actually gone beyond the empirical approach or is this too much expect?

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JRW — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:39:00 GMT

I used herbs and frequency based therapy to cure my own cancer ten years ago. I was so excited! But having to deal with the skepticism of others (who had NOT had cancer!!!) has 'cured' me of sharing with anyone who advocates 'proven' cures. I agree fully with Brandon - be careful.

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jt — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:49:36 GMT

a tele programme last night claimed that felines purr on a set frequency that cures

muscle ligament and bone and they have cancer only at their extremities, tip of tail and paws. it is true that cats can regenerate damaged tissue; you never see, for example, a permanently limping cat.

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Pam — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:10:47 GMT

I have had two years of IV treatment for my Borrelia (Lyme Disease) and Babesia. While on the IV drugs I do well. Feel like I am cured, but within two months off the drugs I go back to the hell of Chronic fatigue, vision problems, fibromyalgia and the growth of tumors all over my body. I tried and am still getting electric zapping which has taken away my optical auras, so you bet I am willing to try Rife. What a wonderful adjunct the zapping has been for me and to find something that will possibly restore my beaten Immune System. My Lyme Disease is called Chronic Inflammatory Immune Deficiency. I have a Tumor Necrosis factor that is off the charts along with an elevated Epstein Bar, Cytomeglovirus, and a range of other Herpes viruses that give me shingles on a regular basis. None of these things bother me when I am infusing the IV therapy of Rocephin, Flagyl, and azithromycin. But since my insurance will not cover this---my cost is prohibitive. It is $2,300.00 a week. If I find that the rife can restore my health as it has my vision, so much the better. Let' face it the FDA is working with the pharmacy community so we have little chance of getting the Rife passed by the medical community. Lyme Disease is so political that we can't get the infectious disease assoc. to admit that there is a chronic form of this disease. I was diagnosed 10 years after the tick was admitted to an army hospital. I was told that there wasn't Lyme Disease in Texas. So no treatment for me. Ten years later and ten years of chronic fatigue, blind right eye, surgery after surgery to include not only knee aspirations for swelling, shoulder surgery, an advancing osteo arthritis of unknown origin, spinal fussion, and brain aneurism rupture. Then I took matters into my own hands and paid $1,000.00 dollars out of pocket to find the malaria symptoms were coming from Babesia (a co-infection of Lyme) and I was positive for Borrelia Burgdorferi. If only the army had tested me ten years earlier. By the was Lyme Disease is the number one vector born disease and it is in all 50 states. I wish there was someone I could sue at this point, because my husbands whole retirement check, (from 36 years in the Army) plus his working salary go to sustain my health. $3,000.00 every three months to go to a Lyme Literate doctor out of state. The lab fees to Igenex, the plane fare, and doctor bill and Tricare will not fund Lyme Disease. So if the Rife Machine works, I will save myself thousands of dollars. Is that what our government is affraid of!!!!???

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Harradine — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:06:57 GMT

Brandon,

Well I will ask you the same thing. What are rife or ozone treatments are what evidence do you have that they are effective against cancer?

You say that conventional cancer treatments actually kill cancer patients. Do you really believe that?

Ultimately, the answer can only be derived from looking at what works. Chemotherapy and radiotherapy are neither of them 'allopathic' treatments. There is abundant evidence that just ignoring cancer and hoping it will go away is considerably more dangerous that having cancer treatments that exists today.

What about Rife and Ozone? Which cancers are they effective against? At what stage of the cancer do they help most effectively? How many patients is this information based on?

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Brandon — Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:59:27 GMT

Thanks to all those who recommend to be careful. However, I do not base my life on fear. Fear is the true opposite of love.

Love: The selfless engagement with other human beings and the world.

Hate: The selfish engagement with other human beings or the world.

Fear: The selfish disengagement from other human beings and the world.

Harradine,

I suggest, you do your own research. There is plenty of research available (Germany and Russia have used Ozone therapy for decades).

Everybody has to do their own research. Nobody should just act upon the advice of a third party in the absence of trust. I do not trust pharmaceutical companies as milions of others do neither and for good reason. Just to give you a personal experience I had with a friend who has attended medical school for two years. He is disgusted by all the pharma reps swirling around the medical students like moskitos trying to sell them all sorts of nonsense resulting in some cases in outright bribary. He is very dissatisfied with the way that conventional medicine looks upon a patient as a dehumanised machine which just needs some phramaceutical chemicals to run properly.

You said:

"There is abundant evidence that just ignoring cancer and hoping it will go away is considerably more dangerous that having cancer treatments that exists today."

I say:

Is there?

And where did I say that ignoring cancer is less dangerous than treating it?

Ah yes, the Delphi technique (http://www.eagleforum.org/educate/1998/nov98/focus.html)

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harradine — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:54:55 GMT

Hello Brandon.

That Germany and Russia may have Ozone therapy for decade does not demonstrate that it is effective. One can still find homeopaths practicing in this and other countries for example.

I mean, is there any evidence that it works? I agree with you completely that people should do their own research, but browsing the internet does not research make.

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adelaide — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:45:30 GMT

I am interested in the above debate as unfortunately I am a cancer patient, or was a cancer patient. I had surgery to remove the tumour in the colon 2005 and was given misleading advice about my chances of a full recovery, I was told I had a 95% of a complete cure. I thought this was erroneous as I felt I had a herditary condition but I was scoffed at by the oncologist when I discussed this. It turned out I was right. Less than a year later the cancer had returned. I was told I must have chemotherapy, radiation and more radical surgery. After much thought I refused this treatment and have refused it again last September. I have done what the eminent oncologists thought impossible: shrunk the lesions using no conventional treatment. I was referred to the CAAT treatment by friends who are bio physicists and working on the metabolism of cancer cells. Specifically in glycolysis. I have treated this genetically occuring cancer with diet and the results have been incredible so far. My MRI scans which are done at a leading cancer hospital in the UK, prove the lesions starting shrinking as soon I went on the treatment and the colonoscopies showed dramatic improvement of the inside of the colon about 5 weeks after i commenced it. Five months after starting the CAAT diet the 3 cm nodule sticking out the side of the colon was no longer visible on the scan.

I was a nurse for years and saw how people suffered from chemotherapy. Lets face it, it is a primitive premise: to bomb the body with toxic substances and hope that the "collateral damage" is not too severe. If people were cured by chemotherapy there would be no deaths from cancer.

However, chemotherapy causes unbearable suffering: it causes starvation, emaciation, intractable pain, vomiting, diarhoea, hair loss, infertility to name just a few symptoms. It is barbaric to give people such toxic drugs especially when the cancer has spread and invaded many of the internal organs. It makes a person's suffer more in the last months of their life and deprives them of being prepare for their death or spend any precious time with their family.

I met with a scientist recently who is developing a vaccine for certain cancers and she herself said that the drug companies were the biggest obstacle in getting funding for the next stage of the development of the vaccine. She cannot get funding from the government but has to pander to drug companies to try and support the trials, she does feel they don't want a cure for cancer as they have too much invested in the current drugs.

I am living proof that cleverer, more intelligent treatments are available and my treatment involved no sickness, no nausea, no side effects at all except some hunger now and again. New and innnovative cancer treatments that look at interfering with the synthesis of cancer DNA or interference with glycolysis as mine did through diet, are the way of the future. Bombarding a body with toxins is a treatment that has its roots in medieval thinking.

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Rodney — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:28:26 GMT

I think one must remember that the claim was that all of the evidence that proved that the rife machine is a valid cancer treatment WAS DESTROYED many years ago. If the Powers that be want to keep the evidence suppressed....they can and will. This is why you don't find any real hard core evidence proving that the rife really works. On the other hand there are tons of articles, studies and material on pharmaceutical treatments because that is the direction medicine has been steerd in the last 70 years. Is it any coincidence that real studies into alternative cures is not done all that much? Big pharma has a lot of $$ at stake and will not sacrifice it to simple cures and treatments. I have seen the rife machine work on diseases like hepatitis c, prostate cancer, head aches, colds and flus, chronic pain, detoxing after psycotic drug use, chronic pain, muscle cramps, muscle spasms etc. I don't have the research but I can direct you to the individuals that used it with great success. Research in this area is very lopsided on purpose. It is done to try and validate bigvpharma's claims so they can say look see we have studies to prove our claims! Even though the studies show that their research can be dangerous. However none of these big drug agencies has ever done any real studies on natural alternatives.....because they do not want to. There is no money involved not to mention power to control the flow of population and money. Cancer is big business in America and they want it to stay that way. No way will thy want studies proving the rife machine works and they will always say that there is no evidence that it works.

Just my two cents.