James Tope, I don't see where the article says that MMR contains mercury.

It merely mentions the MMR study and the thimerosal study.

Minshew's comment was vaccines don't cause autism, 100%. The author points out that the jury is still out on that.

Baseline levels of background mercury exposure are rising due to increased coal burning power plants, and the effects of mercury deposition in the body are cumulative and passed down through the blood from mother to child. Mercury in vaccines is just one dangerous source of mercury exposure for the infant and all of them need to be addressed. No study to date adequately controls for all sources of mercury (air, food, dental amalgams, blood typing shots, flu vaccines). The article measuring mercury in blood is flawed in principle because it does not address mercury deposition in the body and brain, the real measure of disease.

To learn more, go to http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/4426146/.

The headline clearly implies that the MMR vaccine contains mercury. One only need to have a first grade reading level to see that. However, as Mr. Tope correctly pointed out, the MMR vaccine has never had it. Clearly, the writer is SLOPPY.

As for the Hitlan study, it is poorly done and has been throughly picked apart.

Greetings:

One things that seems to be a serious flaw in this study is simply testing the blood levels of mercury.  Mercury doesn't stay in the blood; they somewhat determined that.  That doesn't mean it left the body though.  It just as easily could have left the blood, being as heavy as it is, and settled in organs.  None-the-less, blood testing for mercury is not reliable as an indicator that mercury has "left the building."  

You are a human being.

You are not a person, you “have” a person.

A person is your agent in commerce,. A fictitious entity to which rights and duties are ascribed.

To the government and industrialists you are an indentured slave or as the media refers to us, “consumers”.

Before you enter into the world arena let alone the Austim arena you must see where, as an individual, you stand.

Here in Ontario Canada there are over 1000 citizen children on a shameful waitlist to receive funding for ABA/IBI therapies. Time is their enemy. After four years and the Senate / Eggleton paper “Pay Now or Pay Later” and the Canadian National Autism Strategy lies dormant. (Although it is a good document , worth reading)

Canada is founded upon the principles that recognize the Supremecy of God and the Rule of Law.

Both of which are being broken by the Canadian governments both Federal and Provincial.

The Magna Carta, the British North American Act, The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and the U.S. Constitution were all written to protect us from the Sovereign.

To all of us parents in the front lines all over the world “Hallelujah to Ya !

At the end of the day it’s just us, our little team and the clinic we run from our homes.

Why is the focus always only on thimerosal?
Included on this list of chemical concerns should also be formaldehyde, M.S.G., aluminum, Butylated hydroxytoluene or B.H.T. and many others.
Don’t let the mainstream media and pharma spin doctors lull you into only focusing on the thimerosal.
Remember these corporations would no doubt lose everything if a connection is made between the preservatives and the world wide vaccine programs.


Our great grandparents our grandparents and our parents were all infected with toxic preservatives through the inoculation programs.

I saw my 5yr old son’s live blood analysis taking place.
I saw live candida yeast in his blood.
I saw the heavy metals as well.
Where do you think it came from?
Leaky gut syndrome comes from the M.M.R jab.


We saw the change in our child right after the second round of vaccinations.


Freedom of the person requires not only, or not even especially, the absence of legal constraints but the presence of alternative thoughts. The most successful tyranny is not the one that uses force to assure uniformity, but the one that removes awareness of other possibilities.
I have come to the conclusion that those who benefit from any societal mechanism rarely wish to understand that mechanism, especially if it appears to grant them power or authority and understanding it or any alternatives would restrict, diminish or destroy that power apparently granted.
They live in a vapid world of learned assumptions.
Lets face it if you have acronyms after your name your whole goal is to get published and funded no matter how ridiculous your position is.
Most if not all of the researchers and their research are in the pocket of Big Pharma. They have lobbied their way into the core of our societies. I feel sorry for the caregivers who actually administer the jab and wonder how they are going to live with themselves after the truth comes out.

If we put up with this our children will be next.

It’s not the vaccines it’s the toxins therein.

A child on the spectrum is born every 20 minutes. What do they all have in common?

Wake up people.

The article writer is sloppy, James Tope and TheProbe are neocons and/or industry representatives, Dan and Greg have basically the right idea (although I wouldn't attribute mercury's tenacity to weight, per se), and B Campaigne is kinda sloppy and ranty, but pretty much on the money.

As a parent of a 5 year old Autistic boy my wife and I have a full time job here in our lil clinic.

I try to get the word out when and how I see fit.

If I appear to be "ranty" or "sloppy" I apologize as I don't have alot of time to finesse my writing style.

I believe the message is more important than the medium in this instance.

Consider it "Autism newspeak".

As a receiver of daily Autism alerts from Google I find I simply cut and paste my sloppy rants from a compilation of sloppy rants I keep in a word file.

There you have it.

You seem to have an interesting mix of data and mistakes.

The Eli Stone plot was based on autism caused by vaccine damage due to a mythical substance "mercuritol" which is clearly supposed to be the mercury compound thimerosal.  The show was not about MMR.

The Study by DeSoto and Hitlan did reanalyze the data from a previous paper by Ip.  It did *not* show anything about different groups being more or less able to excrete mercury.  The authors did assert that this was the reason, based on a paper in the journal, Medical Hypotheses.  Take that title literally, Hypotheses.  The paper is not peer-reviewed and thus presents the hypothesis of "poor excretors".  

The reality is that poor excretors would show a different profile in areas like hair mercury levels.

Much of this is discussed in blogs

http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=162

http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=164

http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=165

I can only find the "100 percent" assurance here and here

http://www.enews20.com/news_Thimerosal_Vaccine_Proved_Safe_05541.html

Not in the actual interview in the Post-Gazette.

She did make it very clear that she does not believe in the vaccine-causing-autism hypothesis.

Matt

Why is anyone even still debating the possibility of a link between vaccines and autism? After all, for years, many government health officials, advisors and vaccine manufacturers have said there's no association.

Here are a number of reasons why the question remains open:

1. While government scientists, advisors and pharmaceutical companies have been responsible for infinite lifesaving and life improving medical advances, they are not infallible.

• It's the same group that originally thought it was safe to use x-ray machines in shoe stores, gave pregnant women Thalidomide for morning sickness and once allowed mercury in medicines. They assured us Vioxx and Duract were safe painkillers, prescribed Rezulin for diabetics and then denied any of them were responsible for patient deaths. If we never questioned that group, we might not have discovered that Fen-phen and the dietary supplement Ephedra are not safe weight loss products, that antidepressants in kids can lead to suicidality and Viagra can cause blindness. The list goes on.

• When it comes to vaccines, the same group failed to predict that the 1990's rotavirus (diarrhea) vaccine would have to be pulled from the market after infant deaths. They encouraged use of the oral polio vaccine (eventually discontinued after it gave too many children polio). And they allowed the use of a mercury neurotoxin preservative in childhood vaccines, only to admit later that they hadn't thought to calculate the cumulative amount kids were getting as more and more vaccines were added to the childhood immunization schedule.

• Recent history demonstrates that too often, government health officials, mainstream doctors and pharmaceutical companies aren't on the leading edge of alerting us to health risks; they're bringing up the rear. Patients feel left to fend for themselves, seeking independent research and opinions on their own. They and their dogged, relentless determination have often been the catalyst that eventually brings medical dangers to the forefront.

2. Government scientists, advisors and vaccine manufacturers often take an all-or-nothing approach to vaccinations.

• Government officials and infectious disease experts I've spoken with are fearful that if vaccine side effects are better publicized, or if a link between vaccines and autism and ADD were made, the public would overreact and lose faith in the entire vaccination program. The result, they're afraid, would be parents refusing to give their children any vaccines, leading to new, deadly epidemics of preventable diseases. That indeed would be a disaster. However, their fears have resulted in something I call an all-or-nothing approach: they tend to promote nearly all vaccines for nearly all children as equally necessary and equally safe. Yet at the same time, if asked, they agree not all vaccines are equally safe, equally beneficial, equally necessary and equally tolerated by each individual child.

• Through the Internet and other resources, parents are now able to find research on vaccines and read it for themselves. They compare the government's all-or-nothing approach to the research and become skeptical that the government is presenting the whole picture on vaccine safety generally.

3. Government officials and mainstream scientists who dispel any vaccine/autism/ADD link have ties to vaccine makers.

• There's so much overlap among pharmaceutical companies, government scientists and advisors that the information they provide at least has the appearance of a conflict of interest. Government scientists and advisors often do not mention their connections to the vaccine industry when they provide opinions on the vaccine/autism/ADD issue.

• One of the best examples of this is the landmark autism/vaccine study published in Pediatrics. Early in his study, the lead author, CDC's Dr. Thomas Verstraeten, found statistically significant associations between the amount of mercury (thimerosal) exposure kids got from their childhood vaccines, and a wide range of brain disorders. However, the published version of the study (the one the authors say is accurate) found no evidence of a link to autism. Not disclosed was that Dr. Verstraeten had left CDC midstream during the study and had gone to work for Glaxo, a vaccine manufacturer. That failure to disclose was criticized in a later publication of Pediatrics, but it got little mainstream attention. Also getting little attention was a letter from well-respected scientists, also in Pediatrics, who echoed what parents of autistic children had been saying for months: they questioned the use and exclusion of certain data from Dr. Verstraeten's study that eventually reduced the statistical ties between vaccines and neurodisorders.

• University and government researchers and advisors often do research for vaccine companies, help develop vaccines (even profit from them), and/or are paid to consult for them. Often, these researchers do not disclose their industry ties when they publicly dispel the notion of a link between autism or ADD and vaccines.

• Lastly, the CDC is inextricably tied to vaccine makers through contracts and other business and financial relationships that open the door for the possibility of conflicts.

4. Non-profits which dispel any vaccine/autism/ADD link have ties to vaccine makers.

• Non-profits that promote vaccinations have ties to vaccine makers that they often do not disclose when giving their opinions on vaccine safety. One example is "Every Child By Two." This group contacted CBS News several years ago in an unsuccessful attempt to prevent one of our stories about the vaccine safety from airing. In forms filed for the IRS, the non-profit lists an official from vaccine maker Wyeth Pharmaceuticals as its Treasurer. It lists vaccine maker Chiron as a paid client.

• Another example of a non-profit tied to the industry is "The Vaccine Fund." Its President from 2000-2005 was Jacques-Francois Martin, formerly CEO of vaccine maker Sanofi-Pasteur, CEO of vaccine maker Chiron, and President of the International Federation of the Pharmaceutical Manufacturers' Association. While at The Vaccine Fund, his salary was paid by a company that says it "has developed particular strength in the vaccine industry and vaccine development."

5. The dual role of the CDC undermines the appearance of fairness.

• There is a perceived, if not real, conflict of interest with the government's Centers for Disease Control (CDC) heavily promoting vaccines, but also responsible for monitoring adverse events. At least two respected medical journals, the "American Journal of Public Health" and "Pediatrics" have published letters or articles recommending "greater independence in vaccine safety assessments" apart from "the highly successful program to promote immunizations." In short, the CDC's bread and butter is achieving high vaccination rates. But that role is in conflict with the agency's responsibility to fully research and disclose adverse events that could, in theory, bring down vaccination rates.

6. There is no definitive research proving a link between vaccines and autism or ADD, but there is also no definitive research ruling it out.

• Something rarely reported is that while there's no definitive study linking vaccines to autism or ADD, there is also no study definitively disproving a link. And there's a substantial body of peer-reviewed, published science from places like Columbia, Yale and Northeastern suggesting a link, or pointing to the need for further study.

• Many credible voices deny a link. But many other credible voices support the idea of a link. One example of the latter is George Wayne Lucier, formerly a senior official at the National Institutes of Health in Environmental Toxicology, an NIH advisor, member of the National Academy of Sciences Committee on Toxicity Testing and a scientific advisor for EPA who concludes "...it is highly probably that use of thimerosal as a preservative has caused developmental disorders, including autism, in some children." A lengthy Congressional investigation also concluded that the autism epidemic is likely linked to vaccinations.

7. Those who say autism and ADD are not linked to vaccines do not know what is causing the epidemics.

• The most frightening part of the autism/ADD epidemics is that if, indeed, they're unrelated to vaccinations, that our best, brightest public health experts still have no idea what is causing it. Excluding ADD, one out of every 150 American children are now being diagnosed with autism.

Vaccinations have provided lifesaving miracles in public health. However, it's undisputed that they are also responsible for many serious adverse events including brain disorders and, rarely, deaths. Trying to maximize the potential benefits of vaccines and minimize the harm shouldn't be seen as a threat to the nation's inoculation program, it's merely a logical step forward.

One scientist who testified for the plaintiff this week in The Vaccine Court said there's a way to test children for a hidden hole in their immune make-up that makes them susceptible to bad immune reactions from vaccinations. He said that, ideally, every child should undergo such a test before their first vaccinations. But he also said the test is very expensive and so "not worth it." Many parents might disagree. If they knew such a test was available, they'd find a way to pay for it. But such information has to be disseminated to the public before a first step can even be considered.

Mainstream medicine initially said that autism was caused by mothers who weren't affectionate enough with their children. If that doesn't teach us that we should always seek further knowledge and not necessarily accept what's spoon-fed to us by certain experts…then nothing will.

There is one fact which will ensure that the debate runs and runs.  Epidemiological studies indicate that children who are raised in communities which do not use vaccines do not get autism.  There is evidence that air-borne mercury contributes to the occurence of autism but equally there is evidence that a single dose of a mercury-laden vaccine is not responsible for autism. Moreover when countries have eliminated the use of thimerosal rates of autism have not declined significantly.  

I am very intrigued by Graham's statement about "epidemiological studies" that show that children who are raised in communities who do not get vaccines do not seem to get autism.  Can you give a specific reference here?  The challenge is that there needs to be several references because it is not enough to just point to one community.

Let all children have single vacinations for say 3 years then you WILL see the numbers with autism start to reduce.

My son is 20 now and when he was diagnosed the consultant said that the government had been informed of the rise in Autism since the M.M.R. that was back in1990.

The people who are affected by the M.M.R. have to be looked after for the rest of their lives would it not be sensible to listen to parents who do know and do the single jabs now

There is everything to gain by it.

Magaret U.K.

A full explanation of the Mercury causing Autism theory can be found at:-

http://www.generationrescue.org/

The theory, in simple terms, is that mercury from a variety of sources damages the infants immune system such that when the MMR is administered some children are unable to cope with the live virus MMR vaccine and it this that causes the brain damage.

The sources of the mercury can be dental amalgam fillings in the mother and/or  Thimerosal in the earlier injections given to the infant.

Not all infants are susceptable.   Genetically most are pre-disposed to excrete the mercury before it causes damage.   Autism shows up in boys mostly and this is put down to the increased levels of Testosterone present.  Testosterone amplifies the effects of mercury.

Autistic brains and Alzheimer's brains show similar damage and the following website shows a video explaining how mercury causes this damage.

http://commons.ucalgary.ca/mercury/

Some good news:  A product is currently being safety tested in the USA and it has been shown to remove mercury, lead and arsenic from the body.  It has no side effects and is shown to be non-toxic at 500 times the recommended dose.

Arthritis, MS, Parkinson's and Autism have all shown signs of improvement in the very limited studies to date.  Hopefully, the product should be available late 2008.

are vaccines safe for my child

ejs

Yes they are.  Like all medicines they have a small risk, but this risk really is small but there is no evidence linking vaccination with autism and the risks of not vaccinating your children are much, much greater.

Its obviously a worry with so much conflicting advice around.  But the evidence points clearly to the benefits of vaccination so yes.

EJS There is masses of information regarding vaccinations if you are prepared to do some research yourself.   Several books have been published by researchers, but the best, most well researched, INDEPENDENT informative booklet  is 'The Vaccination Bible' produced by WDDTY.  Many normal childhood illnesses were promoted to 'life threatening' diseases when vaccines were introduced. One  questions how can  you eliminate viruses whilst continually injecting them into healthy bodies. Scarlet fever is now virtually unkown, yet there has bever been a vaccine for this!  Whereas there are now different mutations of vaccine induced diseases:  There has been a 20fold increase in whooping cough in USA in vaccinated children since 1976; Norway. Finland & Sweden have also had epidemics in fully vaccinated children; Asthma has been linked to pertussis vaccine; Flu jab doesn't work; neurological disorders are linked to vaccines; the new HPV vaccine has already caused deaths and injuries to young women in USA.etc..etc.. Pet vaccines have a similar record. Emotive propaganda is used to persuade parents to vaccinate their children. Everyone should thoroughly research this subject before proceeding with vaccines enabling you to make an informed chioice.

I agree,  Everyone should thouroughly research vaccination (or anything else) beofe making their mind up.

Its important to understand how to do this research.  WDDTY is very clearly far from being independant.  It has a very clear anti-vaccination stance.  So I would definitely not consider this to be a source of impartial advice for any medical condition or treatment (since it exists to promote alternative methods).

Gemma, your question about "how can you eliminate viruses whilst injecting them into healthy bodies" shows that you have misunderstood what the term vaccination means.  Clearly your research has not been of any merit.

But I agree.  Research is essential, but this does not mean a google search (the internet is full of comflciting, misleading and dowright dangerous advice, mixed in with some genuine good evidence based advice) and the quality of books depends entirely on the individual book in question.  Some are well research and impartial (very, very few), others present one sided arguments and distort and mislead (these books tend to be much more prevalent and sell much more widely).

Original research evidence is the highest qulaity evidence availanble and even then one needs to be able to spot the errors or misinterpretations, badly performed statisitical analysis.  Often therefore, meta-analyses are the best source of information (and these are not without there faults) since these compare the highest quality studied under the eye of medical experts working towards an agreed consensus.

If you would like to specify a particular vaccine, I will point you in the direction of the best quality sources of evidence avalaible regarding the safety and effiacy of that particular type of vaccine.

Regards

H

I rad the comments concernng autism and marvel at how many make comments without investigating.

Thimerasol is a preservative in the making of vaccons. The same goes for alminum.

Both are classified as exitotoxins.  That is, they excite the CNS (central nervous system) causing all sorts of symptoms and illness that overlap causing difficult diagnosis.  They do hurt the patient silently and long-term.

Getting down to basics.

a  Did the phamaceutical companies know that what they were using as preservatives were dangerous to humans?  YES!

b  Did that stop them?  NO!

c  When Congress cracked down after much bad publicity, the pharmaceutical companies pleaded with congress for the right to use the tremendous backlog of vaccines in the warehouses.  Despite the proof of the danger just discussed, the congress chose to protect the profits of the pharmaceutical companies rather than protect the children.  So, after all the brough ha ha, the pretense, today nothing has changed, nor will it change until the mercury and aluminum laden vaccines have been used up.

d  The research team in England proved conclusively that the MMR vaccine was linked to autism.  The reason being the larger amount of mercury given the child at one time, the shock to the childs brain.  Whatever, the pharmaceutical companies gathered and succeeded in disgracing and removing the doctorr and his associates from medical research forever and destroying the records

e  As for the efficacy of the vaccines.  I no longer snd have not for 20 years given vaccines to any patient.  The efficacy of the vaccines goes back to the epidemic that took place in thr Philippines and in which the pharmaceutical companies sent vials to vaccinate 50,000 people.  During the vaccination and before any notes could be taken, the companies were already telling the world of their great succes in saving so many people.

Fact--most of those vaccinated DIED.  The effort was a failure.  This result, the world did not hear about.

Fact--the epidemic died out on its own without any help from allopathic medicine which had failed miserably

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With the lying publicity and controlled releases thereafter and bribes given to the corrupt poilticians, the companies have grown.

Please note that all drugs have a common denominator which is covered up, and is frightening.  That is, that the worst drug reaction one could have is DEATH.  That too is covered up by the companies, and with continued help of government the right of choice is being taken away from indviduals so as to bloat pharmacejutical companies profits.  ALL at the expense of individuals who are suffering, becoming brain dead, paralyzed and more and the facts continuously covered up.  Crooked politicians delighted to get unearned monies for the danger they do, greedily accept and wait for more and more and more.

I encourage my patients to ask questions and become knowledgeable for when they do, the stay healthier, help me-help them, and I can go fishing.  

Unfortunately, today, most doctors are frightened over their patients learning and asking questions.

Is it because they are afraid of their patients becoming more knowledgeble and

taking care of themselves?  That is one part pf the problem.

Another is of the patient learning of procedures that have developed to resolve a medical problem and the doctor not having kept up on research lacks the knowledge and is embarrassed for not knowing.

The main problem today is that medicine is not run by doctors but by the goverment, the insurance companies and thr pharmaceutical companies.  The corruption is rampant, whether it is for seeking control and power over people, or whether it is for money, the result is the same.

The patient is the loser.

If a doctor thinks independently and finds a beter way, he is chastised, silenced, unless and until someone figures out a way to make money off the patient.

Seriously think of this.  Medicine is not there to cure you if you get sick.  Why?  There is no money to be made offf of people who are well and have learned how to take care of themselves.  

Eg: this winter season, the companies and hospitals are reeling with losses due to the fact that very few have become ill with flu.  Hospitals are set up to run full speed 24/7 as they lose money otherwise.  Everyone that comes in must get unneeded tests, costing money, and causing cancer for many in later years through exposure to massive levels of radiation through unneeded CT scans, MRIs and simple chest X-rays done by technicians not using the equipment properly and poisoning the patient with too high a level of radiation.

When will all this horror stop?  Only when educated patients rise up in rebellion to stop their madness and the horror.

Note, one of the difficulties in proving ths connection is one of thr major pieces of evidence.  That is, as the junk food, processed food industry grew along side the vaccine industry, Autism matches the graphs almost exatly, without any notable worthy difference.

Too, alongside the growing epidemic of obesity-diabetes there is the growing knowledge of the lnk with leptin.

Dr. Johns

I watched the light go out of my grandchild's eyes from the moment she had the DTP vaccine. From a sparkle they went to a dullness. Her brother has had learning difficulties since brain inflammation following theMMR vaccine. I saw a family video of the loss of physical and mental function in a beautiful little two year old boy after the MMR. How many more are there? I have always believed it is the CARRIER of the attentuated virus that is at fault and this was born out by a pathologist I spoke to many years ago who said tht she had carried out 340 Post Mortems on babies who had died before the age of two and a half. In 280 of them, the Thymus glad was atrophied and her conclusion was that the body had received a shock to its immune system and could not cope.She said that the carrier was made up of serums from both human and animal sources and this, along with the attentuated virus, threw the body into a reaction.

tHIS IS YET ANOTHER 'SCARE' IF ANT OF YOU HAD A CLUE ABOUT NORMAL CHILD DEVELOPMENT AND OUR INCREASING ABILITY TO DIAGNOSE AUTISM YOU WOULD BE LESS TUNNELL VISIONED. WE HAVE NOW A GROWING INCIDENCE OF MEASLES AND SERIOUS ILLNESS AS A RESULT. aRENT YOU HEALTHY FAMILIES LUCKY TO HAVE THE CHOICE! pOOR FAMILIES DONT ALWAYS HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE FOLLOW YOU AND CONSEQUENTLY SUFFER SERIOUS DISEASE. iTS BALDERDASH

My grandson was a healthy active child who had passed all his tests. He was warm and loving, and had a good vocabulary, and was out of nappies. As he had been premature and a bit underweight we delayed the MMR on Doctor's advice for a year.When he finally had the MMR he screamed like an animal in a trap for 18 hours, his temperature soared, and we were told to give him Calpol. At the end of 3 days he no longer spoke, could not bear to be touched, was back in nappies, and made no eye contact. He was 1 year older than the normal age for autism to manifest itself. He was 4 years old before we got him out of nappies and he started to talk. At 20 he still hates eye contact, and will determinedly look over your shoulder when talking to you. He has had gut problems since the jab. He didn't have any trouble before. Now tell me that the MMR is safe!

When my girls were young they all had the measles jab before starting school. Girlls had the Rubella jab at 13 to protect their future children, but this was not deemed necessary for boys. Boys had the Mumps jab at 13 as they were the ones that needed it. Girls were not offered the Mumps jab at all. Now the PTB say it is not safe for children to have the jabs separately. Do they think we all believe our children were more at risk from separate jabs when the system worked perfectly well for many years? The only reason for the 3 in 1 jab was cheapness.

Now they have said the meningitis jab is safe. Of 30 children immunised on the Thursday at a local school, 20 had to go home early, and 2 of them were sent to hospital. They had been given the Friday off. If the jab was that harmless, why were they given the extra day off school?  My Doctor , who had done the immunisations at the school was not informed how many children were taken ill.